Oddbean new post about login | logout Love how the trolls pipe up, so that they're easier to mute.
🐶🐾🤣🤫you’ll scare them off !
I don't mean to sound insensitive , but wouldn't it have been wise for Roya to have done the same (muted), rather than to have left the protocol, leaving even fewer girls and women than before?
I've got a mile-long mute list, myself, but it's unnerving to know that your conversations are actually interspersed with a small army of perverts and haters. Men don't have this problem, as often, and they find it less disconcerting.
I agree that men likely do recieve less of this type of behaviour from creeps and so on, and that when they do they are less sensitive to it, but what are we to do if it is a question of biology? A developer couldn't possibly allow for what somebody might find disconcerting, not to my knowledge at least. The best solution they have is for everyone to choose what they do and don't see.
There is one solution that is not yet economically feasible. It is practically possible to train a “guardian” ML model to perform vetoing of notes that reach the person’s eyes, and have a tunable threshold 🐶🐾🤔
I had no idea. Perhaps a solution is at hand.
Let me think about how we can make it economically feasible. We can do it now already, but at great and unsustainable cost. 🐶🐾🫡
Yes, women should be able to put up a "gentlemen only, please" sign and keep the riff-raff from interacting with her, at all. Having to mute them means I had to see them and possibly their "artwork", first. Does seem like something ML would be good at preempting, like an electronic doorman.
We need shared mute lists. I trust most of you here
And mutes need to finally transport effectively across clients and be persistent. Everytime I switch, they pop back up and I have to remute, and I can see their convos with other npubs and their boosts and pervy/antagonistic reactions, reposts and zaps. I had Compromised Account regularly popping up in my Amethyst feed and notifications, for instance.
Absolutely! I wouldn’t mind to have one for myself tbh. I am thinking that all notes from follows should be allowed, reposts from non-followed should be scanned at low scrutiny level, replies from non-followed should be scanned at different levels depending and npub reputation. All the parameters should be configurable by the users (levels per sentiment). This will require for the user to use a single aggregator relay, but I think it’s very much doable. 🐶🐾🤔
Would it be a possible add-on to the wine filter or could we have both running in parallel or interacting in some way?
They are technically redundant, so you could aggregate your other relays into one and read from that with “guardian” or doorman 🐶🐾🤔
THIS
On it! 🐶🐾🫡
Ladies, hold fast. Don't run off. This is all a bit complicated and it's a work in progress. nostr:note1jaqq53339lec3q7j6xsq28wfg4mshvflqmyva5gqu228whqamz3s8x9uha
Am I to believe, to condense this idea down to it's most basic elements, that you are suggesting an AI that will go out and mute people for you BEFORE you have some unsavory encounter? Could we go a step further and surmise that this could lead to the idea of 'pre-crime'? Somebody I follow says X and Y but not Z I simply cannot tolerate Z, and since people who speak of X and Y invariably follow it up with Z, I filter them out on the presumption that they WILL offend me in the future for something not yet come to pass?
Not exactly. No muting will happen, notes that user “tunes” to be not welcome, will not be delivered to the client. If user follows the other person, then they could have an option not to filter at all 🐶🐾🫡
I see. The possibilities of AI frighten me for the simple reason that I don't know what they are, and inversely, their limitations.
It is not LLM AI, it is just an ML model that rates the text content based on its themes. Just like your regular spam filter but a bit smarter 🐶🐾🫡
These abbreviations are jargon to me, must research this.
LLM is large language model, ai is artificial intelligence, ml is machine learning 🐶🐾🫡
Ah, I've progressed from a few capitalised enigmatic letters to many lowercase enigmatic letters, I'm so close! This is all so esoteric, how exciting!
This will happen sometimes, for a certainty. ML, like statistics, is all about the most efficient way to predict Y knowing X1, X2, X3 etc. If you're training a filter to block people whose musical tastes you don't like, and that is highly correlated with being black, the filter will totally use "black" as a shortcut to improve its accuracy. There are countermeasures, but the model can evolve new proxy variables for race much faster than its trainer can construct new reward schedules to penalize those. Cost of doing business, I'm afraid. Err on the side of tolerance, as much as your individual patience can stand.
Can zaps be used like hash cash’s intended use, but on the protocol level?
Not sure what you mean, please elaborate. 🐶🐾🤔
HC - Cut down on email spam by proving some amount of work was done to send the message to the receiver. Zap Stamp - Like a black list/white list on an email filter, but the threshold to post for any replying/commenting npub is “x amount of sats”. For someone like Roya, all npubs would be prevented from replying without putting up the “zap stamp” fee (the amount of sats Roya receives before a reply/comment can be published to her original note) UNTIL an npub is added to an approved posting list that waives the fee (this list would remain small because it is one she manages as her own web of trust). ———— This may be too complex right now with zaps being a tad buggy in the sense that clients are doing zaps/wallets in different ways.
Not gonna work, pay to interact only works with celebs and their fanbase 🐶🐾🫡
Isn’t Nostr new, uncharted territory in cyberspace though?
General concepts do not change, neither does human psychology 🐶🐾🫡
You mean that you'd have to zap-to-interact?
Yes.
Keeps bots down, but not creeps.
Right? That might actually increase creep ratio 🙃
😂 Yeah, they'd happily pay to post.
“Excuse me m’am, how much will it be for you to see the picture of my nuts?” 🐶🐾🤣🤣🤣🫂
😂 Don't give them any ideas.
We could create bot accounts as targets! Like Ashley-Madison. Waste the creepers time, upsetting a bot. Plenty of training material about, especially in fediverse if we need troll-bait. How to monetarise?
Omg!!!! 🤣😂
#asknostr Is this is a crazy idea? 🤣😂🤮👀👀👀🤙🏽💯🍻 #relaythat #lol #nomames #nostr nostr:nevent1qqs9upz6aslch8gu2u5e4jtzf22pjmm0pn9y8yg7z3qk6htsl4vznqgpr9mhxue69uhhqatjv9mxjerp9ehx7um5wghxcctwvspzpra3gz6w3h00jl8yhqsay3e83gdyx5ekyc3lvsppfp9nwtu5sqqvqvzqqqqqqy2drs5h
I disagree. Right now it’s effortless to spin up npubs so mute list is as effective as blocking bots on twitter. Real humans wanting to be creeps to a user like Roya online using Nostr would have to expend more time and money to continue their antics.
What kind of behavior do you expect when women act like whores online?
Wtf is wrong with you? Do all women act like whores online? Too many women are driven away from joining or joining openly as a woman by these trolls
What do you mean "WTF is wrong with me"? What kind of behavior or responses do you expect when you post sexy pictures of yourself all the time? The modern woman thinks that they need to expose their body all of the time for attention.
Yes I meant you. I can't tag in amethyst without the app crashing. As long as we are lumping all women together, I'll say women like getting compliments. This includes women who post nudes and women who post tasteful pictures of their outfit for the day.
The creeps would be paying to share their hate with the world, wouldn’t prevent the her from adding another npub to the mute list either. But if Roya’s departure was more about creeps stalking her IRL then yes, filtering the haters posting would not solve that.
I want something preemptive. I already muted anyone I saw harrassing her, to keep myself from being attacked next. That's why there are some "Christian" guys on my mute list.
I'd like something like this to block adult inages and other degenerate content. I wabr to be able to check nostr without worrying about family and kids seeing something obscene on my phone
Fair request, but images are harder. I’d suggest to disable automated loading of media in this case for now 🐶🐾🫡
imagine going to a party where everyone is kind and and friendly, except that one guy who is annoying, creeps on you and makes you feel uncomfortable. heck, he may even hate you and want to plot your death and the death of anyone who is remotely like you. now, imagine going to a party but every person is that guy. This person not only internally thinks you're a shitstain but openly vocalizes their opinions as facts. And it's a whole room of these people, all cursing you in chorus for simply being who you are. Oh, but there's one person who is kind and nice. Doesn't seem worth it to stay, does it.
I think this allegory is a smidgen hyperbolic, and entirely rhetorical but I'll assume it's being asked in good faith: No of course I wouldn't tolerate that environment.
yeah definitely hyperbolic. I'm a bit riled up this morning so it became more hyperbolic as I wrote 😅
You clearly care deeply about this.
The main alternative is walled gardens, but it's sort of sad. Women hiding from public spaces because men are allowed to run wild. Internet cloisters.
Everyone is afforded the right to 'run wild' on Nostr, and we all have a mute button. Perhaps your phrasing is a touch defamatory, look around, many men are caring and sensitive to the discomfort of others.
Is there a way to make a private account? That way you can be more selective of who follows you? Private accounts could also have remove follower option. #asknostr
I've thought about this, yet being respected and respecting online others is a trait that we're missing a bit of, when using all social medias. I'm quite a direct person offline, I've put others respect before my own. Quite difficult to do it as part of a job. However, If you want a private meeting or message, contacting the person account privately and from public eyes is an option. If the account it's disrespectful to you, then report it, mute the account, step away from interacting. Basically be mindful of what you post on social medias. Says... Me🙄🤣
That's fair 💯🤙🏽🍀
Have you heard of #wormhole, it has end to end encrypt. That may be of interest to you.
I haven't. Thx for the heads up. 🤙🏽💯
I agree in principle. I daresay she muted early & often. She was both strong, as an independent sovereign individual, and vulnerable, as a young attractive woman. I imagine she grew weary of the constant vigilance. I think, I hope, she knows she has family here who care, and misses her very much. #PleaseComeBackRoya
Absolutley. What a shame for her to leave, she is well liked here by many.