Oddbean new post about login | logout Third large ammo depot blown up in Russia this week by Ukrainian drones. It's not hard. Kill evil people and blow up their stuff. https://video.nostr.build/3f0af42af79c3b78643be4ce67507edd216b18dceaa64b51f079c97cb4817640.mp4
So Russian people bad, Ukranian people good?
Yup.
No, the Russian people are not bad and no the Ukrainian people are not bad, stop linking the people with the governments actions.
You don't fight a war on that scale without the whole population being substantially involved. It's estimated something like 10-20% of Russia's entire GDP is going to the invasion. Russia isn't a despotic state. Huge numbers of Russia's have left, because they disagreed with the war. The people remaining tend to either be poor, or immoral.
Next time your country government does something wrong I'm going to assume you are either poor or immoral then for not leaving Living in a country doesn't mean you are OK with what the government does militarily or otherwise. People stay because their family is there, their friends are there and their entire history is there.
Last time my country did something seriously wrong – but _much_ less wrong than the Russian invasion of Ukraine – I did in fact leave.
It's not ok to demonize all Russians just because they are Russian. They don't have a say in what the military who is controlled by the government does. Is every American to blame for Vietnam, Is every Chinese person to blame for Tienimen Square? Obviously not.
I don't know if you're from USA, but USA state is the biggest terrorist organization on earth.
Does that mean that everyone born in the US is a terrorist? Obviously not. This is my point. Not all Russians are bad because the Russian government does something bad.
Kill all evil people? That would include you and I
Is it evil to kill another human?
Depends on the circumstances. All that ammo was going to be used to kill Ukrainians and try to steal their land and resources. Obviously, blowing it up and killing the people involved is a good thing.
This seems to be more opinion than fact. Sure there’s a high probability that those weapons could potentially be used for that purpose, but it’s a non zero probability that wouldn’t be the result. Interesting to take any side in a conflict that supports harming other humans. Both sides could just agree to not harm the other, but that’s too much to ask for
You're one of those people who is smart enough to work themselves into hopelessly stupid viewpoints.
Wow I'm surprised to see you behaving this way. Are you Ukrainian or do you have some other personal reason to hold an opinion which justifies violence?
"justifies violence" 😂 No sane person thinks violence is never justified. Russia is trying to invade a sovereign nation to steal their land and resources, and they're raping and murdering the population in the process. It's just common thuggery at a large scale. If you don't think that justifies violence to stop the thugs, you've got something seriously wrong with you. Particularly in this case: Ukraine blew up ammo depot's full of weapons that were going to be used by those thugs to kill Ukrainians.
I think I understand your perspective, but I think it's very oversimplified. I'm not so quick to assign black and white hats between two criminal organizations. Both of them are using taxes and inflation to fight eachother and the civilians are caught in the crossfire.
"No sane person thinks violence is never justified." Plenty of sane people throughout history sacrificed their lives as a testimony to peace, many of them nameless martyrs. If only we had their courage today. One thing is certain: All countries think their side in a war is justified. Once weapons are drawn, only bad options remain. Victories on the battlefield are temporary at best. (I believe we have a moral obligation to foster negotiations to end the war instead of adding more fuel to the fire.)
I would argue that violence is never justified. But it is sometimes inevitable.
Arguing about politics is degen.
Must be nice being able to model the complexities of the world so accurately with nothing more than crayons.
There is something about the Russian Ukranian war that I always wanted to say. It's the first war in my lifetime in which both sides are not Muslims. So it's the first time in my life, I get to sit on the sidelines and see that both sides are stupid for fighting it. Before, as in the case now with the Gaza Genocide, I felt deeply for one side and the other felt monstrously aggressive and unjust. Even in the US's war on Afghanistan, I could understand the reactionary impulse of the US, but I couldn't understand the goal of the war. That goal was to control Afghanistan forever? Fix it forever? What the hell did they think. Anyway, back to Russian-Ukrainian war. I can hear both sides, and I can understand why they fight the fight. I can say it's a war of comparable sides. I can say that all involved come from the same background, so it's their problem. I can say a hell lot of things and not have a care. It is war in which the only way it affects me is if it descends into a nuclear war and a nuclear winter. Having said that, I like that the US is not able to manage the war properly. Ah, there is a lot more to say, but I'll keep it to myself. nostr:nevent1qqswt78vzhycamhhgltq35ptstnmjkqzrlxxrpwd9sgq2jwfvlztnwgpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsve2jcud7fnjzmchn4gq52wx9agey9uhfukv69dy0v4wpuw4w53nqrqsqqqqqpslhnuc
Russia is the richest country in the world. It has maybe quadrillions of dollars of resources. Russia needs nobody else's resources. Russia straddles 11 timezones and is the pivot of Mackinder's World Heartland theory. Without controlling Russia you cannot control the world. Russia gets invaded or provoked into war at least every 100 years by people wanting to steal its resources and gain its strategic position. America has 700 military bases around the world, most are surrounding Russia. Russia has one foreign military base, in Syria. A bankrupt west needs assets for the bombed out balance sheets. Russia has the assets. You haven't read any history.
please remove Putin's cock from your mouth Gary.
We are in the Bolshevik Revolution 2.0 This time the Trotskyites , retreaded as Neocons, have come back with tech to enslave us. "The first task of the communist revolution is to seize all private property", said Marx. The elites become the govt and they therefore will own everything, the poor have nothing, so the middle class must be destroyed and comprehensively looted into the poor class. They will own nothing. How do you do that ? Tokenize all their property, collateralize it , pull the rug to create a credit default and seize the collateral. Recognise this for what it is
This is a global Bolshevik revolution, to make a global govt. China and Russia have to be taken, Ukraine was the battering ram to get into Russia, take it and break it into 6 countries, then onto take China. But its going belly up in Ukraine as they get hammered by Russia.
This is massive. Within the past 10 days we came within a hair of being wiped out in a nuclear war. It turns out there was a de-facto coup with the military ordering Biden to stand down on authorising long range missile strikes from Ukraine into Russia. This , by the way, was precisely why Russia went to war with Ukraine, Russia could not allow nukes with a 5 minute flying time to Moscow to be deployed in Ukraine. Especially since the USA already has a first strike nuclear doctrine. Would the USA allow Russian nuclear missiles to be deployed to Mexico ? https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/american-coup
you're a retard Gary and you have imbibed far too much russian propaganda. Putin invaded Ukraine because his ratings were saggier than his polonium filled ballsack. he thought he could do a crimea 2, a little annexation that made him a hero and that he got away with scott free. his toadie advisors told him it would only take 3 days and look where we are. the official russian narrative on what the goal is/was changes on an almost weekly basis. it's fucking pathetic. Yiu think there's some big brain 4d chess going on, there's not. Putin has taken the piss for far too long , has made an absolute joke of russian democracy and has now obliterated the sovereign wealth fund and doomed russians economy for probably at least a decade. oh and he's made Russia a vassal of China. missiles have been hitting Belgorod for over a year already, Putin's red lines are a joke , as is he and the rotton, corrupt russian army . Russia Inst hammering shit, it's just sending hundreds of thousands of troops into meat waves. Ukraine actually controls part of Belgorod region for over a month already and the Russian army can't even dislodge them.
50 countries vs Russia and Russia is almost at the Dnieper. It will be at the Dnieper before Dec. Ukraine is on its 3rd army already. Zelensky still begging for arms and money, that's what losing looks like. If Ukraine was winning they would not have to seize people off the streets and force them to the front lines. I'll speak to you again in Dec. Sweet dreams.
Russia claiming to be the world's second army then spending almost 3 years in Ukraine, losing more troops than in all their previous wars combined. yeah, thats winning oh and then having to pay to proper up all the regions it's annexed
oh and as for NATO expansion, all that fucking turd Putin has achieved is MORE NATO expansion than ever before. all he has done is make everything a lot worse than it was . before this , there was never any talk of Ukraine joining NATO ffs. although one thing I will give you, Putin was given gaurentees about no more NATO expansion way back in the early 2000s and those promises were broken. so while I'm not saying that's unjustified per se, Putin has only made it worse and he was just using it to mask his true goal which was to install yanukovich back as an autocrat in Ukraine, just like lukashenko in Belarus three old men, strangling the life and hope of their countries, gross
NATO expanded long before Putin. Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005. Over the course of the 1990s and early 2000s, NATO expanded three times: first to add the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland; then seven more countries even farther east, including the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; and finally with Albania and Croatia in 2009. During the early 2000s, President George W. Bush pushed for Ukraine to become a NATO member. France and Germany opposed it, fearing escalation with Russia. Read some history
invading Ukraine was self defense?
Yes. Know your history. In 2008 the US army published this paper (below)developing their first strike nuclear doctrine. The doctrine is based on strategically placing missiles close enough that can be used to counter a nuclear response after the nuclear first strike is launched, thus defeating the enemy and surviving the response. This is precisely why NATO advanced east to the russian border, including planning to advance into Ukraine, and placed anti-missile missile batteries in Eastern Europe and other places. At the time they laughably said it was to counter attacks by Iran. This is precisely why Russia will not allow the west to strike Russia with long range missiles , because Russia has no way of knowing and less than 5 minutes to find out if it is in fact a nuclear first strike. Its is like Russia placing nuclear missiles in Mexico, this will never be allowed by the USA. Never ! A dangerous game is being played here by insane people in the west. Certainly, it will be the end of the world. https://www.jstor.org/stable/48505016
It surely was not presented that way in the Western medias. But assuming this is true, wouldn't be smart to just leave now?
Those that own the control of and means to produce all the money in unilimted amounts also have the means to control all the media and all the govts. And these people want everything, including one global govt. "You will own nothing". Russia and China, especially, stand in their way. Bitcoin, is the antithesis to this. And I am constantly surprised how many so called bitcoiners dont understand this. Even so called OG bitcoiners. Our only hope is to defund these fiat bankers and make them irrelevant and toothless with a money that bypasses them. It will happen , but will it happen before the fiat bankers cause the world to end in a nuclear conflagration ?
I have a hard time seeing Russia as the 'good guys' with all the raping and war crimes they've done
Did the mainstream media tell you that ? And who owns that media ? You only get context from history and cross reference and you won't find either in the MSM. Find out who raped Russia in the 90s to the point that its citizens life expectancy dropped by 20 years and it was the fastest falling GDP in the world. Look up Menetep bank and the rigging of auctions for the main russian resource companies to 7 oligarchs circa 1990. 7 oligarchs ! Who funded this ? Hint : the money came from London. I could go on. Putin rescued Russia and the Russian people know this and the west hates Putin for this to this day. BTW this history is being scrubbed from the internet by AI. Like all inconvenient history is being scrubbed.
I have a hard time seeing Russia as the 'good guys' The Russian history (in general) is just too atrocious
Russia history is atrocious, Russia gets invaded at least every 100 years by people wishing to steal the largest country in the world with the most resources. The Swedes, Napoleon, Hitler and now NATO is knocking on the door through Ukraine. That's atrocious. Of course they say Russia is atrocious as they try to decapitate Russia. "They cry out in pain as they strike Russia"! I respond to you, not because I think I can change your mind, the MSM is a powerful drug, I respond to you to use you as a sounding board to set the record straight for other duped western patsies.
wake up @garyj stop playing the victim Russia is a bully nation all the close neighbors have suffered from Russia (Poland, Czechia, East Germany, Lithuania, Romania, etc ...)
That was Soviet Russia. That was not Russians. Non Russian, Bolshevik Jews from outside of Russia created Soviet Russia. They were financed by Jews on wall St and London. Mainly Jacob Schiff. Putin is a Christian Russian, he evicted the last remnants of Bolshevism. The wall St gang are back, coming for Russia via Khazaria. "Ukraine will be Israel 2.0" , said Zelensky. This is the Bolshevik Revolution 2.0
