Social progressives
Gender is a social construct that is a remnant of our biologically-driven past. We need to free ourselves from our sexual chains, and allow each person to move in their chosen spheres and occupations, so that every human can reach their true potential. The women who can't deal with that need to be silenced and sent home.
Social conservatives
All of this gender nonsense just proves what we've been saying the whole time: the difference between the sexes is so immense that women and men need to be limited to separate spheres and occupations, so that they can reach their true potential. The women who can't deal with that need to be silenced and sent home.
Women who realize that they're getting tag-teamed with the ole "good cop / bad cop" routine
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Yeah, why don't we leave women alone and stop telling them how they should live
Yes, every woman has to answer to her own conscience, just as every man does. Women have personal and moral agency.
Even women who choose to submit to their husbands are doing so deliberately and willingly. They aren't political prisoners.
They maybe fear retaliation.
Which could be justified.
Then she's just a prisoner. Submission is a voluntary act, devoid of coercion.
I guess I see it as a parallel between being an employee versus a slave. An employee is always free to leave.
The men's side of this argument is just as bad. We're either toxic masculinity or we're defined by our ability to sacrifice our whole lives for the sake of women and children.
As with most things, the middle ground is ideal.
I want to know how people can believe that we are all chemical accidents that evolved from pond scum, but we can be born in the wrong body. If all we are is random chemical accidents, there isn't a soul or anything else indwelling our body. If we do have a soul indwelling our body then God put it there and they need to listen to God's statement that He made them "male and female."
They can't have it both ways. That is illogical.
I can logically create a soul in my mind without the need for an omnipresent being.
Yes, but that doesn't define the proper vessel for the soul. Nature defines the vessel.
Fair enough, nature gave me the blocks, i choose how to use them.
Yes, we all have free will.
Christians believe that there are better and worse ways to use them and that choosing the better ways soothes the soul and brings closer to an afterlife spent within the Light.
I understand that, I just don't need a promise of an afterlife. I try to live a just & moral life bringing the most amount of positivity that I can this time round be it a first last or something in between.
I think I need to step back, I decided to jump into this conversation its not really going to end positively for any of us. I am sorry to disturb your evening
Christians love talking about this stuff.
I guess you're just surprised that I didn't say you were wrong. You're not wrong about that. You're also not wrong in saying you don't need a promise of the afterlife to strive for goodness.
I wish you the best, but do consider the afterlife. Everyone will have one. Our decisions now (whether to accept Jesus or not) decides the kind of after life we all will experience. It doesn't have to do with doing good or not. It has to do with believing what the creator said to us and did for us.
If you are a chemical accident you can't create an immaterial soul. You can think that you can, but you can't actually do it. You also can't think those deep logical thoughts by random chemical reactions. If you are chemical accident, how can you trust your senses or logic?
I only know I am a thinking thing. My senses can be deceived, I could be a brain in a vat being fed chemical stimulation.
I consider myself to be made of the same stuff you might be made of, I perceive you acting autonomously. So I will respect it and aim for the best moral utility of each of my actions. I can't prove you wrong any more than you can prove me right. I consider us individuals tring to act as morally as we can in every situation (call us souls or whatever lexicon you wish)
He can't create a soul, but he could conceive of one and act as if it existed, on principle.
Half of them think only our souls matter. Other half thinks only our bodies matter.
Which half is which depends upon the topic.
They are so logically inconsistent that it hurts my brain.
Nah.
Repeal the 19th.
At least modify it significantly.