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 I can logically create a soul in my mind without the need for an omnipresent being. 
 Yes, but that doesn't define the proper vessel for the soul. Nature defines the vessel. 
 Fair enough, nature gave me the blocks, i choose how to use them. 
 Yes, we all have free will.
Christians believe that there are better and worse ways to use them and that choosing the better ways soothes the soul and brings closer to an afterlife spent within the Light. 
 I understand that, I just don't need a promise of an afterlife. I try to live a just & moral life bringing the most amount of positivity that I can this time round be it a first last or something in between. 

I think I need to step back, I decided to jump into this conversation its not really going to end positively for any of us. I am sorry to disturb your evening 
 Christians love talking about this stuff.
I guess you're just surprised that I didn't say you were wrong. You're not wrong about that. You're also not wrong in saying you don't need a promise of the afterlife to strive for goodness. 
 I wish you the best, but do consider the afterlife.  Everyone will have one.  Our decisions now (whether to accept Jesus or not) decides the kind of after life we all will experience.  It doesn't have to do with doing good or not.  It has to do with believing what the creator said to us and did for us. 
 If you are a chemical accident you can't create an immaterial soul.  You can think that you can, but you can't actually do it.  You also can't think those deep logical thoughts by random chemical reactions.  If you are chemical accident, how can you trust your senses or logic? 
 I only know I am a thinking thing. My senses can be deceived, I could be a brain in a vat being fed chemical stimulation. 
I consider myself to be made of the same stuff you might be made of, I perceive you acting autonomously. So I will respect it and aim for the best moral utility of each of my actions. I can't prove you wrong any more than you can prove me right. I consider us individuals tring to act as morally as we can in every situation (call us souls or whatever lexicon you wish) 
 He can't create a soul, but he could conceive of one and act as if it existed, on principle.