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 Phoenix fee estimates. Grim. https://i.nostr.build/mnrv.jpg  
 Peer to peer ain’t cheap 🫂 
 I’m wondering if plebs will be kicked off self custodial lightning this cycle. I’m wondering if I need to move to Liquid or something. 🤷‍♂️ 
 You might want to check this video. This could be usefull in high fee environnement.

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 I moved my daughter off WoS over to Phoenix. “Dad…WTF?” 

First time I heard her curse was over Bitcoin fees. Lord take me now, I’ve done my job. 
 😆 
 Been waiting 2-3weeks now for this one as an experiment https://image.nostr.build/73cc5a625c9ad7fa93b3c25b50b3a41d8eea33e73a9f015ca60ba0fe30a413e3.jpg  
 I'm having trouble zapping you. Is this related?  
 If me probably something todo with zues pay stuff 
 Aw, dang.  
 Need fedimints asap 
 Something has got to give, for sure. 
 Making me sorry I put some in there.   If I run my own node I can traverse that right? 
 Oof 
 Wen layer 3?  Devs fix it  :) 
 I thought nostr was layer 3, right @ROCKSTAR? 😉 
 Holy shiiiiiiit 😂 
 Here is the problem. On a new Phoenix wallet with a newly opened channel all of the liquidity is on your side of the channel. As a result you don't have any inbound liquidity to receive a lightning transaction so Phoenix does a submarine swap which increases the size of you channel but is an expensive on chain transaction due to the current backlog of transactions in the mempool.

If you were to do a bunch of spends from your Phoenix wallet in the form of many zaps or a purchase at Bitrefill or something, those sats would move to the other side of the channel. You would then have a good amount of inbound liquidity and a transaction like the one you are trying to receive would come through as a regular lightning payment with very minimal fees.

Phoenix is an excellent wallet but since it's non-custodial you do have to think about channel management to a degree. 
 I do understand how Lightning works, yes. 😉  
 In that case I don't see the problem. On chain transactions are expensive at the current time.  
 Followed because you were genuinely offering helpful advice 🙂  
 There's a lot of buzz around your post.
Added to the https://nostraco.in/hot feed 
 Ya phoenix fees have been steep. @OpenSecret just implemented dynamic fees for opening a new channel which worked well for me recently. bit of patience and got a new channel opened for about ~7k sats. I assume Phoenix will be revising their fee rate strategy, 50k to open a channel hurts. 
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