Yeah, this is a good read on it. 

I think it lead to it being more rough then the normal podcast were used to. I actually think its healthy that they disagree. none of us know what the 10 years looks like. I lean more towards Saifs worldview but it's helpful to picture both.  

 He even said to Saif something like, “now you’re getting all Maxi on me.” 

I’d wear that one as a badge of honor.