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 I enjoyed the Saif Saylor interview but they were certainly talking past one another on a few points. 

Also, they were speaking hypothetically about what they think 10 years out looks like in the financial space. Saif was talking further out in hyperbitcoinization land, which didn’t help set the table correctly for the conversation. 
 Yeah, this is a good read on it. 

I think it lead to it being more rough then the normal podcast were used to. I actually think its healthy that they disagree. none of us know what the 10 years looks like. I lean more towards Saifs worldview but it's helpful to picture both.  
 He even said to Saif something like, “now you’re getting all Maxi on me.” 

I’d wear that one as a badge of honor. 
 In 10 years, social security will be close to bankruptcy. If the traditional finance & political world is going to embrace bitcoin as a financial asset, it probably happens in the next 10 years.