🤣 

 And it's possible that this isn't even a joke. Linux is used in counting voters' ballots. 

 It's not gonna be my project.  I'm only looking to find out whose project it will be, so I can pull from it. 

 Well, it's hard to trust anyone these days. It’s upsetting to see how the authorities are influencing open source, but I’m not sure if there’s a way to fight it. Even Bitcoin has been affected.

 

 Anonymous devs is the answer. Monero operates in a highly adversarial environment for years. Plenty of things to learn from it. 

 yeah.  boycotting Apple and Tesla is as far as i am willing to go to resist centralization of tech.  there is simply no need for such Borg-level organization and Cultishness as what Apple and Tesla use.  On other hand most of you have transitioned into some kind of communist Utopia that can never work.  I believe in capitalism - i don't believe everything should be free.  I Just think that there should be as much cooperation and collaboration as possible and as little centralization as possible.  Both Windows and Android ecosystems are very rich with diversity and seem to be well run and i am happy to use them.

i do acknowledge that there are security issues and it would be nice to have some kind of backup plan B that security conscious people can use for sensitive stuff like banking, health care, private messaging etc.  

but for your mainstream Netflix & Chill use case scenario i don't see anything wrong with Windows and Android.

like in the old days Wall Street bankers would have an iPhone for personal use and Blackberry for professional use.  iPhone was sleeker and Blackberry was more secure.

in other words i don't think alternative tech is supposed to replace mainstream teach - but supplement it for the tiny minority of people who have higher security requirements.

will we some day reach a point where we need to hide ALL information from government, such as what you had for breakfast ?  MAYBE

if we get to that point will it be possible ?  PROBABLY NOT

i mean they will simply make it illegal not to have government installed camera in your kitchen.

i already experienced this when i was briefly imprisoned in a psychiatric ward ( it was a mistake - i was cleared the next day ) ... in the ward for example you could not lock the bathroom / shower from the inside ( or outside ) ... anybody could walk in ( staff as well as both male and female patients ) into the bathroom at any time ... my room also had a glass wall and two cameras ... i had no rights and no privacy, all my belongings were confiscated ... despite not doing anything wrong, not even threatening anybody, all on mere SUSPICION that i may be suicidal because i ended up in emergency room under strange circumstances ( it was just a fluke ) ...

so they took all of my rights, freedoms and privacy away from me ( for about a day ) ostensibly for my own good ... and there is nothing stopping them from doing the same thing for the entire society for all eternity ... Cov1d lockdowns were practice for this ...  

 To be honest, I didn't understand his inappropriate nationalist remark, especially considering how the Finns are remembered as allies of Nazi Germany. 

 apparently US never declared war against Finland so for you as a Russian they are Nazis but for most people as Americans they are not 
 

 Once, I asked a friend of mine from U.S. to list the Axis countries. He mentioned Germany, the USSR, Italy, and Japan. 

 not surprising.  in America kids do not learn about Soviet Union's role in WW2.  just like in Soviet Union kids never learned about America's role.  it would be too confusing given the Cold War that followed. 

 Yeah I'm not blaming Linus if the gubbmint came down on his ass.  But there must be a fork. 

 By the way, one of the authors who was removed is a Kazakh (?) living in the US. Apparently, for the Finn, he’s also Russian to some extent. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest of the "Russians" on the list are Jews and Ukrainians. 🤭 

 Almost All the "russians" living in America are kikes hiding behind russian names  

 the Russians should do the fork. 

 Such forks have existed for a long time already.

That’s not the issue. Today, they removed Russian names, and tomorrow they might reject code from, say, a Palestinian or a Syrian. This is all very unhealthy for open source, but it's the reality we live in now, thanks to the U.S. authorities and DEI. 

 and my point is that Palestinians and Syrians would be welcome by the Russians

the world has split into NATO and BRICS

if Linus made it clear that he is NATO then there needs to be a BRICS alternative  

 Yeah it sounds like he doesn't want to incriminate himself, as he isn't a lawyer he doesn't want to talk about it.  But he didn't miss the opportunity to express his hatred of Russia.  I would have expected him to be more nuanced about the difference between Russian governmental policy and Russian citizen coders. 

 I suspect if you are part of the empire you must say certain things to not appear confrontational

Btw enjoyed this Finnish movie

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4065552/ 

 Apparently it is an executive order from Biden causing the chaos.

I do find it concerning that he made no effort to defend maintainers who weren't exactly no name contributors. He had no issues stating his other political views.

I also hate Russia, but I see no benefit in going along with clipping dedicated FOSS contributors without even acknowledging the absurdity of it.

I can understand the US not wanting people to directly help the Russian government or other enemies, but I don't think FOSS should be a concern. I especially don't think alleged defenders of FOSS should just go along with this sort of treatment for contributors without calling it out as bullshit. 

 Again anonymous devs win. Monero devs are a good role model here. 

 I'm not sure that flies if an official regulated entity is involved. For example, a non-profit or something that spearheads a project (as with Linux). Maybe best efforts to collect dev data will suffice, but this is somewhat unchartered territory (for FOSS software) in the US from what I can tell. It may not suffice and anon devs may just get booted anyway.

The best strategy could be to let the regulated arm do what it has to and then use the right to fork for those of us who aren't regulated non-profits or whatever.

I'm honestly not sure how this plays out. Centralized funding is an obvious issue here because that's the attack vector government is using. It isn't practical to go after every single one of us pulling from repos.

I think the result is going to be greater fragmentation, lower quality and less secure software in the long run. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Either way, forking Linux outside the US may help, but so many other US based projects are using it that I just don't think it's practical. The whole thing is goofy. 

 i was going to contribute to linux but i have a .ru email account 

 I guess you'll have to spend the time fishing instead. 

 It's scary to imagine what would happen if Donald Trump wrote code for Linux. 

 World peace 🕊️  

 BSD is great I use OpenBSD it for my firewall.  But I will still use linux too.  I just might need to merge a driver or two from a fork.