Oddbean new post about login | logout #politics #iran #anti-propaganda Iran believes that there is a difference between men and women, just like Western conservatives. Iran believes that there are muslim rape gangs that want to rape women, just like Western conservatives. Iran is conservative, just like Western conservatives. Iran is traditional, just like Western conservatives. Rather than have complete equality and freedom like we do in the West, Iran has chosen a more traditional method to protect their women from getting raped, and that includes wearing a hijab which makes them less "showy" and would-be rapers are then less likely to get horny and then violent. You may disagree with this strategy (I do). But it is a small difference between Iran and the West. It does not make Iran a horrible human rights abuser. Don't fall for the propaganda shared between Western warmongers and modern woke feminists. This talking point has come back up to try to drum up support for attacking Iran. There are thousands of things I could say about the USA that are far worse, and you've been saying them yourself for years so I don't have to bother... I will just assume that the point was made. The statistics show that Iranian women are graduating from universities in far greater numbers than men, especially in STEM fields. They are not oppressing their women.
They are just opressing the cultures of other countries with books, execution music videos of americans, their video propagandas, & they teach their children USA is a white devil warmonger land of enviroment that we all grow up to hate iranians & our countries goal is to pose & influence all your lands in the so called attempt to "Americanize our holy sacred lands" Also the strange fathom of being out to Christianize everyone who is not. The only thing that's different is we don't educate our children to hate anyone & we don't make public live execution videos for everyone to see.
Are they wrong? We do all that stuff. And the US executes far more people, in both absolute and relative terms. I'll add that Iran also has elections, and whether or not they're credible elections, what I know is that OUR elections aren't credible. Meanwhile our media calls them a dictatorship. Iran is inconvenient because it shows America's hypocrisy. God bless America.
Can you show me one time the USA put on a live public execution music video?
Iran stones gays to death, yet subsidizes gender transition surgeries. Source: am Iranian. Fact check: TRUE.
First of all, did you mean to type "an Iranian" or "I'm Iranian"? "am Iranian" is meaningless.
The "I" is implied
The USA does gender transition surgeries without letting the parents be involved, and they don't help their natural disaster victims. Should we bomb the USA to smithereens to liberate it's people while killing it's people?
No I don't think we should bomb my grandfather in Iran. I was just sharing an interesting fact. I don't think I had a bigger point to it.
You should read Persepolis though, if you haven't. https://image.nostr.build/a5c275dc7750d2a1e9da33d6008028af4cae4862b3c85b472a8ce190522fe067.png
Cool. It was an interesting fact, one that I didn't know. Check this out: https://ariamedtour.com/procedures/gender-reassignment/
Erm... Appeal to emotion? https://image.nostr.build/bbb988f3c2647dac1d62b69233ceeb59e0c50523e72ddbc31ead7e9346a790b1.png
And if you are going to stone a woman to death you should bury her up to the waist so those doing the stoning don’t get turned on by her cunt and be tempted to commit adultery… which of course would result in the woman having to be stoned to death again and therefore would create an unresolvable paradox of how to satisfy Allah by stoning an already dead woman to death…
The root of evil are Zionists. We see what the warmonger Zionist regime does in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria and Yemen - terror, occupation and killing children and women. USA is fully controlled by Zionists on all highest political and governemnt levels. In reality there is only one political party in USA - the Zionists AIPAC.
Yes the conspiracy theories have proven true. Israel has fully infiltrated and controls the US government. It fully inflitrated and demolished Hezbollah leadership. They are sneaky little buggers. But more and more countries are seeing the truth of this, and more and more are aligning against Israel. Russia is taking action. Saudi Arabia is defending Iran by refusing to allow attacks from their soil. Attacks from the resistance are making a difference in Israel but they have a media blackout to hide this. Their bonds have fallen to (or are about to) fall to junk status. Their economy is in the toilet. Many countries refuse to export to them, and many that still do can't get goods in because of the Houthis. I think we are on the edge of a major historic transition. I think the plan to rule the world, to make a single world government with absolute power, is collapsing all around them. And to be clear... it is not the Jews. It is not the Zionists (that just means people who want a state of Israel to exist). It is not the deep state or the blob. It is a group of powerful individuals that remain nameless and behind the scenes, that happen to use Israel and the USA and happen to include a lot of Jewish people. But we can call it zog for short.
I disagree its the jews not all jews but still we had problems with them from more than 2300 years there were no zionism back then
I can't say for sure but my theory is that Israeli culture is sadistic and supremacist as a result of abuse by the Nazis, in the same way that an abused child becomes an abuser when he grows up. And that historic issues that people had with Jews (surrounding pogroms and such) were for other reasons that I will elide due to irrelevance to this conversational point.
To quote Ron Unz (himself of Jewish origin): Nazism is Judaism for wimps
Ouch, it burns, it burns! I've had similar thoughts, but none phrased so succinctly. Hitler was mad that his full-Jewish cousins inherited the millions, couldn't move on, and decided to build his own mega-clique with blackjack, hookers, and overt rather than covert influence over the levers of power.
I'm not christian and my take is that it is also controlled opposition but this are the way this people think, it's not about the Zionist state it's about their fulfillment of their torah prophecies and even if you look close enough even the ones that call themselves atheists push the same ideology. https://video.nostr.build/34f55dce59d6e18e3242094c540f31c073c85acf96a5ccbff3092e147b25bdc4.mp4
There are alignments between two factions that came together for common cause in the 1990s, the secular hegemonic and the religious ideological. The athiest secular Jews pushing for hegemony utilize the religious ideological ideas because it serves their ends.
We should be aware of their way of thinking nostr:nevent1qqsy4zwa5wjrlgpn8jsmcl6ek0vf9chqk67fffjluvpn7fz6lqm0vecppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsrgeg6jwfdxjle6pjw88euzzlw7a94u288zrq8xfp30d58cj4a06qrqsqqqqqp4zdtww
I agree with most of what you said, except the nameless individuals. It is the deep state. The deep state - cia, fbi, aipac, mossad, most democrats, most zionists, globalists, soros, rothschields, rockefeler, gates, clinton, obama, biden, wef, satanists and other Scum like that. And most of those individuals or institutions run by individuals are Zionist. Even Elon is silencing accounts who criticize Israel. See both Kamala and Trump what they say about Israel and their genocide ... they both support them.
There's an enormous amount of overlap, for sure...
The bad guys have captured the Israeli government. But the bad guys have captured the American government too. And many individuals you mention either are the bad guys or are blackmailed by the bad guys. But there is no term for what is behind it. The alternative theory to most conspiracy theories is "parallel action".. that is, a bunch of people with similar alignment acting independently. But I reckon that can't explain all that we've seen.
Yes but my observation is that commands come from Israeli government. Its definitely organized evil and they, the wealthy and powerful Zionists control all of the powers - money (banks, central banks, business), politics, media (msm, social networks), governemnts (many, mostly the west), military power, global organisations are penetrated as well with exceptions of some individuals .. Guterres was recently banned by Israel
Yes I think so too. From within Israeli government. I'm just trying to distinguish between the baddies and other people within that government who aren't baddies. Because I reject collective guilt and collective punishment. Most of their control comes from power-seeking behavior seeking to be a regional hegemon, and they are very effective at what they put their minds to for various reasons. But their biggest mistake is thinking non-Jews are only tools and don't matter, because they cannot hide that belief their actions belie it, and it sets the whole world against them.
Thats my thinking as well, there are good people and bad people from any group. But its apperent how many bad Zionists people have occupied the power and abuse it - wars, propaganda, lies, brainwashing, agenda 2030, anti-humjanism, corruption and what not. I can share videos how Jews who have Judaism religion support Palestina and are in conflict with Zionists. They say Zionists do not believe in God (and yes there will be exceptions through the Zionists but the majority is fucked up). If you are interested tell me and I will share those videos with rabbies from the different camps. You probably know that Rotschields, the Jews central bankers, created Zionism. Rotschields are known for wars and funding both sides and always winning. Nowadays the evil comes from Zionists with power. Unfortunately they turned into Nazis. https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/balfour-declaration
Let me share few videos that I think show good my point of view. Of course I have formed my point of view by observing real time actions and reading many points of view but anyway I think the videos are quite valuable. https://video.nostr.build/fa92d4bf055b308f0aaa1e0e8b4e26d5590e07f07a331551b36df6aa26ec6507.mp4 https://video.nostr.build/b13de1c35d66f2bcf7ff5c72ddf49467f65d81e3f809a3a9ceba0c46c1df0a17.mp4 https://video.nostr.build/9603ceef944fb352ee288fa878365ecae4ff13d1b3f2665b27b40bb2cbc9f0ac.mp4 https://video.nostr.build/8f1133c86e45dd30f0d68fc16eb22f367c1bc0287a8dabeafa1862bdfcc1e9f4.mp4
muslim rape gangs that want to rape women?? that's a really racist thing to say lol no government should have the right to force women to wear the hijab to 'protect' them. the videos we saw on twitter 2 years ago of people being executed for protesting in the street makes iran a horrible abuser of human rights. the us-israel-iran war has nothing to do with the situation of women in iran. you don't have to rationalize the horrific things iran inflicts on its people to believe that the united states and israel shouldn't bomb iran
I'm playing to the American Republican, influenced by the Tommy Robinson stories of British muslim immigrants rape gangs in the UK that many American conservatives believe (I remain undecided) in order to make a point. Sorry if I offended you. I often take other people's assumptions to make points harder for them to argue against, and I don't really worry about the implication that it has on what people think of me (I don't care much about me, I care about the innocent). But do you not believe that women are at risk of rape, whereas men are not? As a man I have zero fear of being raped. My point was to put the "horrific things that Iran inflicts on its people" into perspective. Enforcing a hijab rule is bad, and I'm against it, but it is not something that the world goes in and bombs the Islamic regime in order to liberate people from.... when they won't bomb Israel to liberate Palestine from wonton slaughter. If I were a woman in Islam, I'd put up with the hijab right now because Israel is about to collapse and I would not want to detract from that important geopolitical effort.
are you an expert in Iranian and Muslim culture, or are you just trying to say something that sounds logical? I am not an expert, but I am quite sure that the issue is far more complex than just "eh, we just don't want to protect our women"
I have read several long books on Iran. That doesn't make me an expert. But the anti-Iran sentiment being whipped up in the West... I know propaganda when I see it.
i'm sure its all bullshit though: https://holocausthandbooks.com/handbooks/
they profit from the mutilations before stone them to death, based.
Yeah... nah. I don't believe that. Does not pass the smell test.
Well that paper is very inclusive, and recognizes the cultural construction of gender (red flag). I'd say that yes men get raped in war by other men (rarely though, who the fuck does that?), and men get raped by other men (gay ones) in peace from time to time, especially weak men by strong men. And very rarely a woman rapes a man. But I just don't think 30% properly accounts for all the rapes of women that go unreported. It doesn't smell right. I have no special knowledge here though.
You have said it better I admit. I was just reaching for some name, since 'clique' outside of context doesn't mean much. I honestly have little understanding of the word I used, I never trafficked in that conspiracy theory, but on the surface level knowlege it seemed apt.
It may or may not be true, but I would avoid critiqing Judiasm as it invites personal attacks that distract from the effort to save lives in the middle east. I want a new term for the bad guys that doesn't get misinterpreted as being "the Jews" or "the CIA" or "the blob" or "Zionists". Everybody seems to be hating on Zionists but I would venture to guess that many Zionists don't want to slaughter innocent people, they just want a Jewish homeland. Zog is wrong because it implicates all of them. The fact that they cannot be named is their greatest defense. Frustrating.
Corruption?
It drills deeper than that...
Far too organized. How could you explain all the news agencies giving us the same story slants all the time? Only organisation explains it. How can you explain how so many criminals (Epstein, Clinton, etc) don't get prosecuted? Organization and blackmail. It can't be explained just by every-day corruption or even similar people with similar views doing similar things.
Yes, that as well of course. All methods that inflict fear.
It drills deeper than that...
Wow, I like Israel Shahak. What a great book I have now.
If you mean that the holocaust was not all about killing the Jews, but about making space for the Germans, I have heard this. Killing the Jews was a big part of what happened in either case.
The Israeli government control everything, maybe only Rotschields are above or on the same level. Here is why America is Israeli puppet - look good through the lists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_members_of_the_United_States_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_United_States_Cabinet_members
And if you see the real actions and policies of America, Israel and many other governments then that is the great evidence.
Also some poeple ask if Americas governemtn is not occupied why for what is AIPAC for?
I'm not confusing anything. I think you are missing context. I agree with almost everything you are saying. Let me catch you up to date. For along time Tommy Robinson in the UK has been trying to "break open" a supressed news story, that every violent sex crime that occurs, especially where there is name supression so that you cannot double-check if he is right or not, he says things like... "it was those damn muslim immigrants! In that culture, rape gangs go around raping women. It's alloweed by Sharia law".. and other bullshit like that. Tommy Robinson is an asset of Mossad. And he has the ear of a lot of American conservatives who believe him. This is a form of argumentation where I adopt the position of somebody and then use their own beliefs to show them something they didn't see.... it doesn't mean that *I* actually hold their beliefs. But at this point I regret posting the misunderstood post entirely because it was without context as a top-level post. I'm sorry. Second point of context: Bibi Netanyahu addressed the people of Iran, claiming he was liberating them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLCbo4Zyfyk It is laughable. Do not believe him. He thinks you "Persians" need water and sewerage. Sounds like he thinks you are primitive animals. And he thinks you are dumb enough to believe what he is saying. But Israel wants to be the local hegemon and Iran is the only country threatening their regional power... he has wanted to take it down for 25 years now. When you say "the us and israel aren't planning to bomb Iran to support women’s rights" I 100% agree. "there's no global muslim entity that decides whether muslim women should wear the hijab or not" -- you aren't teaching me something I didn't know. I'm not sure where you go the idea that I thought such a thing. Oh... I see I mistyped Islam where I meant to type Iran. That was not what I meant to type. The only way women's rights have anything to do with Gaza is that political bad actors are trying to manufacture consent to go to war with Iran... and they will use anything they can in order to win people's consent and acceptance of such a war... and they will badmouth Iran every way they can to make people mad at Iran so that they support such a war.. And one topic that keeps coming up is "Iran makes women wear a hijab! How terrible! Some women have been killed for taking it off! Let's go to war and free them!" .. which is nuts for two reasons: The famous case of a woman severely punished for not wearing a hijab was an outlyer news story, not run of the mill.... women in Tehran often don't wear the hijab... and second because clearly that is not why the US/Israel wants war with Iran, it is just a lie. So we agree.
One small thing: I talk to many Iranians where I live and they all HATE their government...some even say they will be happy when a war comes in and the Iranian population will finish their own government. I'm not saying this to justify anything, it's just an interesting caveat. I don't want any country invading any other
One small thing: I talk to many Iranians where I live and they all HATE their government...some even say they will be happy when a war comes in and the Iranian population will finish their own government. I'm not saying this to justify anything, it's just an interesting caveat. I don't want any country invading any other
