How much do you want to be paid for testing nostr stuff? 

 Hmm... good question. 🤔  If I were paid in sats, I'd probably expect less than from a fiat company, for starters.

I tend to be really fast, which is probably bad for any model that involves paying by hour. I guess, maybe, depends on the size and complexity of the project, with a lump sum per project, maybe 200k sats for a detailed manual test report with improvement suggestions, with 100k for a follow-up test. More for automation. 

 Output should involve detailed work tickets with acceptance criteria so the devs can just knock out the work to remediate.

Like you've done with the Issues board for Alexandria. 

 Gherkin is always nice, and mockups, screen shots, etc.

I'm sorta overqualified to test the current Nostr projects, but I figure that they might eventually get bigger, and then my market would expand and I'd already have customers. 

 You could also scale your service offerings and rates to the size of current Nostr projects and build up a clientele in the early days.

A service like this is actually a boon that would enable more lone wolf Nostr devs to bootstrap innovative projects more effectively. 

 Yeah, the prices I named were for something larger or more complicated, like Highlighter.

For someone with a smaller project, I'd probably also do more design/workflow work and help them market. I have a powerful npub. 

 Testing has fixed costs, is the thing, as I have to "read" into their system and understand their application and business logic, in order to test. Which I'm really good at, but still. It's not much different from coding bounties, in that way, but each testing round would be more efficient, so I'd expect less pay for them. 

 I'm just finding the other sw projects "out there" so soul-crushing. It's like, I'm trying to end your business model in my side-gig. This is gonna get complicated. 🙄  

 OMG 100%. Everything I apply to, I'm like I'm only staying here to fund my ability to end this companies business model XD 

 💯 💯 💯 💯  

 It wouldn't even only be me. My husband is a software engineer specialized in QA and doing code reviews, and DevOps stuff, and I bet I could get the GitCitadel team to help me out, if the workload rose.

We're also good at Project Management and etc. 

 Nice; I think that kind of cross project collaborations has a bright future. 

 Do you think a <20% allocation, within a nostr grant application, for call-off work that would be opportunistically spent on analysis, QA, testing, PM, be looked upon with skepticism?
@Gigi (@OpenSats) @Alex Li (HRF)  

 @Laeserin It would be a shame for the community if you end up working a fiat TA/BA/QA role. In nostr you have: 1. identified need 2. motivation, 3. ability, 4. proof-of-work, 5. opportunity (don't currently have a job). you are just missing 6. resources.
Given the funding in the space, it would be disappointing if you were unable access some of that because your work is somewhat of a niche in nostr.
If you need references or anything please let me know. Perhaps you could get a number of projects you have contributed to to include references as part of a grant proposal? 

 I actually quit my fiatjob, to get @GitCitadel off the ground, but it hums along nicely, now, and my household is starting to eat the seed corn, so I have to do something else for income.

There are actually a lot of remote requirements management, support, testing, etc. fiat positions open, but they all sound sort of boring. 😂 Was thinking about going back to logistics, instead. But then I'm really gone because then I'd be spending all day inspecting dangerous goods tanks at the port, or something. 

 We both tend to work for lots of different projects, doing specialized tasks. There are a couple of people on here, like that. It doesn't really make sense for us to do it only for one project, as the quality of our work depends upon transfer of knowledge.
Some of us are also developers, but our primary contribution isn't product coding.

I will happily keep posting issues for clients I actively use or that our project has a stake in, but it's nothing as advanced or useful as what they'd get for paying me, and I only do it when I'm in the mood. And it would probably mostly stop, once I get a day job. 

 Who is we? 

 You mentioned Niel. 

 I have a half-baked idea for an alternate funding model….  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

https://evolensart.com/article-introducing-boomscroll.php 

 The revenue split from the output of the bounty is a nice idea. Are you familiar with nostrocket.org from @gsovereignty? 

 Bounties don't even work for mechanical turk level stuff let alone complex requirements IMO, creates a malincentive  

 And quality requirements are nonfunctional requirements, so that's a level of abstraction higher. 

 Did you read it?  Skim it?


It’s a sats-first, trust-based model.

Runs 100% on reputation and incentives 

 I did read it. I like the model. I was just agreeing with the point that good bounties are quite difficult to write. I bet clearly formulated ones would be very popular, tho.

I have a lot of experience in requirements engineering for companies, so I trust myself to write good requirements.
I mean, people could pay me to write up the bounty requirements with your parallel system. 😂 

 Yes, I like the idea, but we have no excess equity to share. 

 Lol

I’m not asking for sats right now hahahaha

Just throwing out a half baked idea to see if it uas legs

🙃 

 Ah, a parallel bounty. 

 😅  Nobody cares if anything works, anymore, amiright? 

 Oh, they want it all to work. They don't like paying people to point out problems, and especially don't want to pay someone to stop shipment. Those actions are not "value added" (their words) compared to coding and sales.