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Jestastic | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 What math are you doing?
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Not math. Real experience. 
If you are sending small amounts on lightning they can find cheap routes, but try sending larger amounts and you will feel the pain.
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Jestastic | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 What's the realm of payment size you're doing? 

Are these payments for commerce or for managing liquidity?
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Say you are sending a friend 1m sats. 

Does it matter if it was for commerce or managing liquidity? It’s a cost we are paying.
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NotBiebs | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Yeah maybe, but the payment is instant
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NotBiebs | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Also, doesn’t create a change UTXO which could be small and is more private
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Lightning offers value, that value will be priced. And we might end up with expensive lightning as well. 

That’s where my head is at.
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Jestastic | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 To me it does since when I rebalance etc I'm executing an arbitrage and moving much higher volume than normal for which the pricing matters.
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Yeah, and costs a lot to do that.
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Analogue Dog | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Show me some numbers
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
  https://i.nostr.build/ruZKLm2c4dBKO9gi.jpg
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🐉AT ₿01 | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 a million sats is an absolute fortune In the future however
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Analogue Dog | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 It could be that you're sending from / receiving to relatively isolated nodes. Have you tried setting a maximum fee?
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TKay | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Can you set a maximum fee when paying an invoice. I’ve never tried it before.
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Analogue Dog | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Yes - the spec allows this to be set on a percentage or absolute value basis. Some wallets may not have implemented this. Indeed, some even game the routing so they can skim higher transaction fees.