Oddbean

all these people break it if they give credibility to fake accounts bc they have tons of people that will trust them instead of verifying https://i.nostr.build/Z50dE.jpg https://i.nostr.build/GeXqW.jpg https://i.nostr.build/dwzQY.jpg https://i.nostr.build/O4850.jpg

Anyone who follows, reposts, replies to and interacts with fake accounts get us further away from a working WoT. Example: if my following count is 100 and 50 of my following follows a fake account and interact with it and puts it on my feed for me to see every day, how likely is it for that fake npubs WoT to be high enough for me to blindly trust it

If half of the people you follow interact with an account maybe it’s because it’s valuable or because half your follows are bots or retarded. “Fake” might be too subjective a label in this case. whatisreal.gif

actually lemme explain most of my following are men as is most of our current community on nostr and most technology enthusiast at large, that’s my following, now introduce into the equation a fake profile which is a profile of a person that does not exist, is not real, yes the picture is might be real but there’s 50+ different pictures of different girls attached to one nostr identity making that user what I like to call a fake profile, my following isn’t necessary retarded or bots, they are simply of human nature gullible & men that can think well with their heads but when it comes to boobies n a pretty face one head takes charge. Hope that makes some sense n brings clarity to the subject at hand lol

Should we change it from "fake" accounts to fiat accounts? Where value is diminishing and or non existent. If you get value from the not account showing bitcoin blocks status is it any less real than the Dev you ask questions or Odell when asking his opinion. Follow what you want to follow. Its your feed, if npubs I follow post content I find a waste I either unfollow them of mute/block the content I find meaningless. Curation is how you build your own WoT. nostr:nevent1qqsp276dwc64e6vyddhvu7gvrvyl83gzwrkkjs7hyjeu0zk95c64c6qpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzp75cf0tahv5z7plpdeaws7ex52nmnwgtwfr2g3m37r844evqrr6jqvzqqqqqqyqlu68r

If something feels off, check the Nip05, check the wallet (although this can be faked) and check following and followers. nostr:nevent1qqswr3yul4guswyduz5x9r4wl25xrzswhthlhxtnrj9wshgxqk6tszspr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsftzm4fgwnmed4ajs0uvwj642lg5fjt7zf32pa5xvhkl7dtsu73rqrqsqqqqqpzpq7g9

nostr:nevent1qqs97z2avrcsdxs7nq8p820k2n9mqtlt73529trn2z9w8akcyz3jpmspr3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt4w35ku7thv9kxcet59e3k7mgzyrc0kvw3sy9fl9wl85tclnt8eg9snpu66y0gdz09d93vmqulhr4dgqcyqqqqqqg57fx2r But how do you verify that? I don't think you do honestly🤷🏽 New accounts can be real people or not. You never know and You're not going to go verify a person who was Born yesterday with 1 follow who is their mom 🤷🏽 Instead you just gotta be mindful of your money. Did I zap Amanda Wolf? No I don't think so. Could I have probably. Do I zap onyx? On the regular! If she rugs and runs did I miss it on anything? Not really. I'll miss her 🤷🏽 But maybe that's just me. I don't have a lot of Bitcoin. I only started getting be l Bitcoin because of Nostr. So I guess I'm conservative with it. I zap notes that seem worth it to me and there's nothing beyond that. If you rug. Then you earned that zap and I didn't miss it anyway I guess. It's different when it's a company you're thinking it's bettering society or your standing in it. But really of your spending then You're spending right? The decision alone makes it not yours anymore? Bottom line is no one except you really is real probably if you think about it🤷🏽 So every action you make is a calculated risk in some way.

And with that being said. Thank you everyone for throwing away a boatload of sats on me. I'm sure your wallet misses them but maybe doesn't🤷🏽 You can look at it as me stealung from you. Or you investing in someone learning about Bitcoin🤷🏽 Either way mine! Thank you

I’d politely disagree my fren, one easy way of verifying @𝓞𝓷𝔂𝔁.𝓥𝓲𝔁𝓮𝓷 is real is by reaching out to her on social media accounts where her digital footprint extends years, IG & twitter.. I did this myself before I interacted with her, and I tend to do this with many other profiles asking for them to their reply on those socials to a dm or to add their nostr profile to their linktree links they have on those legacy social media profiles. One way of finding those profiles is if they’re using the same name on here as they were in their legacy social medias (good sign) then a google search of their username is all you need to find those accounts (IG,Twitter,etc), if not you can use google image search to drop in a picture they have here on nostr to see if you find a trace of it on the internet, most likely you’ll get a hit on 3/10 pictures, sometimes you won’t get any hits if they’re ai generated, then in that case you need a trained eye which not many posses. But they are so obvious if you spend more than an hour on the internet every single day of your life.

WoT on nostr should make use of replaceable events so that people can correct their mistakes if they vouch for a profile and later discover they’ve been duped. Alternatively, if 10 people get duped and vouch for a bad actor but just one person discovers it’s a bad actor, you should be able to attest that you’ve discovered this is a bad actor and crank up your confidence in your attestation so it carries more weight. This is why trust attestations and influence scores need a field for confidence.

Yup I wonder if people would want a feature that alerts them if they’re following someone who has been reported or muted above some threshold number of times, so they can review and check if it was a careless follow otoh we wouldn’t want a system that could cause a positive feedback loop and result in an innocent account getting piled-on Just a thought

The reason WoT works is because it happens at the margins. Which means that if my social network wants to “pill on” on reporting someone, say because they want to cancel some Alex Jones character, they are free to do so and my tooling could reflect that my social circle has ostracized that npub. That wouldn’t have an effect on other parts of the social graph or the network at large or to other algorithms and tools. So yeah, I think it would be useful if tooling would report/flag accounts the user follows that their graph has indicated is suspicious.