Oddbean new post about login | logout A thought experiment. Take any two relays, relay.damus.io and nos.lol for example. What's the difference between them? What makes different? How could I SEE the difference? Because right now (in my mind) now relays are just buckets of events and some relays have more or less.
For a year now I've been saying need more information on relays, otherwise we'll go back to my spaghetti analogy from last year @Cameri 😂
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Good analogy. It seems like any measure a relay is meaningless
We just need more insight. Nostr.watch is great, but I'd like region, hardware stats, and note retention policies listed.
Choosing a relay shouldn’t be deeper than that.
actual story of me onboarding somebody: them: "what are relays?" me: "uhhhh, don't worry about it"
Same with nip05 really lol
yes, this
also, as a foreigner i have zero idea what the word relay even means. so if anything, we should repackage the concept under another word, and simplify it. or, simplify the inputs and outputs, and keep it a magical black box that the user shouldn't worry about
True, users shouldn't have to think about it. But I'm a dev and I want to know, and the issue is I can't figure out what makes different. Or even where to start looking
i disagree. NOSTR users are not normal users and shouldn't be. thought leadership isn't for everybody. users SHOULD think about it. perhaps require every note to have three tags ( example tags: TND, TKD, BTC, Anime, Loli, Gaming, Dev, Censorship, NOSTR, Twitter ) entered by the user. let the system try to use the tags to put like minded users on same relays, but also put entire threads on the same relay as well regardless of who was posting what as long as it is in the same thread ... and also federate or something so that people on different relays still can talk to each other, but with perhaps a bit of overhead ... and for community users the community name is the tag ... @fiatjaf
I agree with the first part. I think most users on nostr are not normal and would all in be interested in more details and stats on relays. I want to see all the details / stats about a relay, but I just don't know where to start looking
ChatGPT / LLM type tech could probably be effective in grouping people into relays. it should be easy to identify Bitcoiners, Nazis etc. take the 10 most prominent members of each group, train the model on them and it will find all the other group members. then put them all on same relay. or for a more sophisticated system it would be able to define groups by itself. maybe you would end up getting grouped based on your IQ or age rather than your interests or politics. there are billions of people but our brains are wired for a social circle of only about 100 people and that is reflected in the patterns of people following each other online. we need to mirror this in how relays work and LLMs can automate this and make it efficient.
When i look at relays in Damus, it lists which NIPs are supported by each. Maybe clients could listed relays "features" (aka supported NIPs) and selecting one will filtwr and display only those
It's almost 2024 and we still don't have a good way to differentiate relays. There is someone coming to @Sovereign Engineering that I hope will take on this 😀
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awesome, hopefully they can teach me more about relays. The main reason relays kind of suck in noStrudel right now is because I still don't really know what they are or how I could explore them
been asking the same as a normie don't get why i would pay for any of them, because i don't see what i get for it really
You get a cool wine glass icon from wine. That's the only reason I paid for it
you pay because you believe in bitcoin and therefore a sucker
I p much had no idea why I was adding relays when I joined, I assumed they were gonna give me different stuff. Took me ages to find I I shouldn't have bothered. It wasn't that long ago that I saw a relay with an actual use. I forgot the name but it's a Christian topic -based relay.
I've wanted a sort of minus function for relays. Like if I want to add a relay, I want to see which notes are seen only in the new relay... To sort of gauge who's posting and what is the general vibe. But even if it's one-time I think that's too much effort for most users 😅
you're gonna use 99.9% of normies with that i just want to post memes and shitpost, i couldn't care less, i just want to see my frens posts and be sure that my frens see mine
Nobody cares how it works as long it works (most of the time) Nostr is like the supermarket supply chain, and I don’t give a shit how that supply chain works as long as the supermarket (Damus, Amethyst, etc.) has stock. This is how most people think (or don’t think) about social media
Until the toilet paper runs out
This makes sense for why I should care about the current relays I'm using. but what could I possibly find interesting in other relays? I can also go into the warehouse and dig around in the notes but then I mostly just find the same old notes I've read on other relays. is there a way to find more interesting stuff? I mean its got to be there right? its a whole warehouse of random notes
Until the toilet paper runs out
apples are commodities https://i.nostr.build/VODj.jpg
right, the only idea is to show the feed of kind 1 notes from a relay. but filter out the people you follow. probably would just end up with spam though... 🤔
Something like? https://cafe-society.news/
