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 So far my experience with @Blockstream Lightning has not been a good one. I now have sats in my wallet that can’t be sent because it’s unable to find a route — not just to my node but to large providers like ACINQ.

I’ve filed a support ticket and hoping Adam Back gives me some white glove service. 😏 nostr:note14xp2at0uffsugv3hgpsfhfwvrwf6tk9dynvk62lx0j6pl7s580ns63v366 
 Was it officially released? 
 No, it’s in the “experimental features” section on TestFlight. I’m aware what I signed up for, but I’m doing this for the plebs. 
 Oh I thought I missed the announcement. 

Strange this is happening. For some reason I assumed their setup will be very stable. 
 they're shipped it. it's in the App Store version. 
 F in the note. 
 That’s frustrating. 
 I also tried it out and did not have a good experience. 
 same 
 It's that shitty Breez node they use.  That thing is awful. 
 I use Green LN and I do not have issues with send and receive.
Keep in mind that the node infra is still in beta phase so maybe liquidity is not well maintained.
I would expect situations like you describe not finding routes.
This wallet is still green (sic). 
 Bro, I can’t even send 1000 sats out of it. What are they using for liquidity, a juice box? 
 I never experienced problems to receive but most of the payments I send from it fail, don't know why exactly 
 I think is also about the routes is taking in the payment moment.
I sent from Green to :
- Blixt - worked with no issues, various amounts
- Zeus - worked with no issues, various amounts
- Stacker.news - worked, no issues, but only small amounts (tips)
- Alby - worked 100% all the time, various amounts
- Phoenix - worked, but when I sent more than 20k sats it failed 1st intent. 2nd intent worked after few minutes.
- Blink - worked 100% all the time
- some other private nodes, worked with little issues of liquidity.
 
 I tried (amouts of 212121 sats) and you are right Alby and Blink work all the time, but impossible to send to Bitkit for example. But it succeeds to reach my own node for some reason (big channel with ACINQ I maybe)... 

But still is' strange from a pleb node runner point of view, when our own small nodes can send without any problem and an LSP can't lol 
 My experience:

1 payment to my own LND node with lots of liquidity: successful

All subsequent payments of any amount to any other wallet failed. 

These include:

Zeus
Phoenix
Mutiny
Alby
My node again 
 Yep it's really unreliable. 
Strange coming from a LSP based model and from Blockstream/Breez in particular, and considering that the routing is not made on the phone but online with Greenlight if I understand correctly...The graph synch should be good and reliable no ? 
 There are still issues with graph sync. Most of them should be resolved in the next update.  
 IDK, maybe the product should have been tested in the real world for a while before releasing it. If anyone wants to pay me sats to try to break their wallet so I don’t have to put my own money at risk every time I download something that isn’t ready for prime time, you know where to find me. 
 You are using Green's experimental feature that you opted-in to, right? Anyway, the Green team is working diligently to resolve these issues.  
 Yes, I fully understand it’s an experimental feature. And I am giving feedback to improve it. You’re the first person to respond who is actually involved in the project! 
 Does it use Core Lightning on the backend? 
 Breez SDK, I’m not too familiar with how it’s built. 
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