Oddbean new post about login | logout Let’s stop onboarding people to custodial wallets now. Hook them up with ZEUS + ZEUS PAY, tip them 50k+ sats to start them off with an OLYMPUS channel (or open one to them yourself), and let them get into Bitcoin the right way: holding their own keys and with payment privacy.
How? I’m on WoS.
Me as well. But this post is making me reconsider everything.
The learning never ends, does it? Off to read about @ZEUS
Me too. Let me know if you find any goods
Apparently you need to stun a node 😂 who knew? 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah I didn’t make it past the main screen 😆
Yea how?
I’d love to. Is there a tutorial for this, I’m tarded sir???
No official tutorial until @BTCsessions puts one out in “futbol announcer Spanish”
Setup the beta and grab that zeuspay lightning address before someone else does. I think if your on the iPhone you might have to reconfigure any node connections you have setup already. It's not hard, you just need to be able to write down 24 words 👍
What do you mean setup the beta? Where’s the beta?
https://blog.zeusln.com/zeus-v0-8-0-open-beta/
Downloaded the beta.. lost af.. I’m actually retarded, I don’t just play one on nostr
So the first thing you want to do is add the embedded node. It should walk you through and give you 24 words. Then go into settings and under lightning address pick your name. Then send yourself a decent payment like 50-100K sats and Zeus will open a 0-conf channel, channel size will be determined by the size of that first payment.
Ok.. things seem to be happening but still confused af. I have Buddhazap@zeuspay.com Got my words and my old channels are showing.. sent 50,000 sats from WoS as a test.. waiting.. Anything else? THANKS HOARDER!!!
You have? How a gringo matter? #ALL Mothering for the wrong reasons, as arguing for random mutations and killing to justify corruption and deviance is pathetic. I have.
Heyyyy I just got your zap hoarder!!!! (I’m assuming!!) 🔥🔥🔥🔥
So where do those sats stay? I tried opening a channel to Olympus and it’s saying funding error?
They're in your lightning balance. If you look in the channel screen, you'll see a channel has already been opened with Olympus.
It’s Not showing that channel yet
Trick question?! Curious what what cures that illness.
For now you have to open a channel by receiving LN funds. Cannot currently accept onchain funds for channel opens.
Got it. What’s the channel size? Is it .01 bitcoin or greater? It seems like that’s the message I’m receiving
Hoarder I need help. I’m having a serious tard brain moment. I sent a few million sats to my node but put them in the bitcoin wallet, not the lightning wallet.. and I can’t transfer from the bitcoin wallet to the lightning wallet??? Am I losing my mind? So then I bought a couple million sats on strike to send over and I can’t send to the lightning wallet from there either? How tf did I fund my lightning wallet in the past. I’m losing my shit.
Also wanted to add another 1 million liquidity to our channel and can’t remember how to do that either… I’ve been tarding for too long Current situation https://image.nostr.build/1a333edb65128d9ededdd03370a1f65975966d484a970111465d52b20c28c851.jpg
Ok ok.. I think I just balanced our channel and now I need to add more liquidity to open the Zeus channel… it automatically pulls the new sats to balance our channel first it looks like. I’m just talking to myself here, but it’s working
See, you’re not so tarded after all.
Yeah I actually sent that from my Zeus node 😁
Yeah 🎉 that should do it. Just look around in there and and enjoy having a self custodied lightning node on your mobile phone!
The app has gotten much more user friendly I have to agree although the 50% fees for zaps keeps me from attaching it to Nostr..
it's only 50% if the zap is below 200 sats above 200 sats it has a 0.5% fee
initially i was like woah.. that is a lot <200 sats.. and might still be a lot for people in some parts of the world but for me it's fine and honestly devs should be encouraged to do this.. it's a great setup to earn some sats for pow another plus, it can motivate others to build a similar app but with lower fees (healthy competition)
But how does one access Zeus Pay?
Open Zeus channel I did with Olympus under settings Lightning address enter your name@Zuespay
Yeah true but How often do you get zapped over 200 sats the standard seems to me 21… there’s just other ways without the fees IMO
i like the model tbh just a random zap.. i dont think I'll feel the difference of receiving 22 sats over and over compared to 11 sats i do know I'll definitely feel the difference in receiving 100.000 sats vs. 50.000 sats
Yes no argument there great for large amounts but if there is still a way to avoid a fee one must!!!
Zeus, hire me as a contract promoter Here’s the deal. Send some SATS to cover the channel fee. I’ll use Zeus exclusively for the rest of 2023 (barring anything crazy and unexpected) And I’ll send out one post per week about the Zeus wallet. I have a small following but they’re all legends. Sounds crazy but it just might work. Lmk 😎
ZEUS makin folks question the nature of wallets.
Can you send from an Olympus Zeus wallet to a Zeus Pay LN address?
Yes. You can send to any Bitcoin or Lightning address from the new ZEUS wallet and you can pay to ZEUS PAY from any lightning wallet.
I couldn't pay Zeus Pay address from Phoenix wallet. I don't think HODL invoices would work sending from a wallet that may be offline when the receiving wallet comes online later to accept the payment.
I always onboard with breez and, kill me, Coinbase wallet (not the exchange). Because they're easy for noobs. Both are non-custodial. While I do have them write their 12-24 words down so they understand the concept those wallets don't necessarily require that. I know it's bad letting them rely on a Google drive backup but I do warn them. That's all I can do. Only issue I have with breez, and I suspect Zeus will suffer this, is a clear guide for noobs on what to do when their channel to the lsp is closed. Breez mentions the app will guide folk on how to claim their coin but I've seen folk delete the app thinking a reinstall would fix it which only makes things worse. Other than that I think the lsp route is the way to go for noobs and self custody. It's progressed far enough that I can't see why people still use custodial solutions. LN Addresses were the only missing piece and you have that covered now.
Where can I read more about this and how to set it up?
Zeus has Zapable Lightning addresses in their open beta. It's time. No more will we have to on-board someone and then tell them to install two wallets. nostr:nevent1qqsf9fgc4rzvvp5tdza9p8smq7r7m8j45sxrrs9xa3cfaekc70k5ucsppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsrf5h4ya83jk8u6t9jgc76h6kalz3plp9vusjpm2ygqgalqhxgp9grqsqqqqqpvkhvnp
Zeus Pay is really cool way to have non-custodial zaps with a completely mobile setup. Is it worth letting them take 50% of every zap less than 200 sats? That’s a hard sell for me. Hopefully that gets cheaper or it’s really un-useable for that purpose. https://image.nostr.build/d18ef11fd56471c4ce36228a6b8f8b592cf8a2659bf710b2a31135d54e283783.jpg
The key with all of these options is education and limiting exposure to being rugged. I believe that’s where the majority of the arguments are made and it’s not so black and white. But just like everything in life, there are tradeoffs. Knowledge tackles emotions IMO. My Setup - WoS / Alby = Limited balance - fun tickets for Nostr (cash in my pocket for a night out) Use case example : zapping on Nostr, buying a buddy a drink, etc Zeus = Medium balance (debit card in my wallet / spending account) Use case example : Shopping online via Lightning Store Cold Storage = Large balance (Savings Account) Use case example : storing wealth. Just my thoughts….
Agree 💯 Zeus Pay gives users a powerful tool to add to their tool belt. Every tool works well for some things, and not as well for others. Self-custody is crucial to learn and put into practice. So is not accidentally losing a large % of payments. If zaps are more than just a play thing and are truly to be a vehicle of economic activity for content creators, then losing 10-50% of every micropayment tip up front is really a non-starter.
nostr:note1j2j332xyccrgk6962z0pkpu8ak09tfqvx8q2dmrsnmnd3uldfe3qqpgnsx Feeling happy as kid to have this wallet working !!!🥳
How do I start?
https://blog.zeusln.com/zeus-v0-8-0-open-beta/
Why is there a 0.01 BTC minimum to open a channel to Olympus when the LSP will open a 50,000 sat channel?
nostr:note1j2j332xyccrgk6962z0pkpu8ak09tfqvx8q2dmrsnmnd3uldfe3qqpgnsx Feeling happy as kid to have this wallet working !!!🥳
Cómo? How? ☺️
You can top me 50k+ sats 😁
Tip , need an edit function so bad
How to retrain what’s corrupt and sick, Dave? Edit the weighted? I’m dying to understand how
You can only retrain those who are open to it. Unfortunately we as a species are relatively closed and need to be forced to open.
Species? We are not the same. You’re an earthling, im human.
I can’t condition. I have
