Oddbean

I'm still going to try to recruit every single Bitcoiner. If you understand freedom money, then you understand freedom communication. It should just be that simple, because we cannot have the freedom to transact without the freedom to communicate. I won't stop until all Bitcoiners understand this. nostr:nevent1qqsgqy3kkxgknj576g7m2p3uw78xu3p0htut8jvlxuyax4llgtjzyvqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsygpm7rrrljungc6q0tuh5hj7ue863q73qlheu4vywtzwhx42a7j9n5psgqqqqqqshcyyyh

How do you deal with the 'this is a b!tcoin telegram group ' -type dilemma / monotopic complaint? ...Probably the most common nostr complaint? Does this eventually get resolved over many years as word spreads wider? And user retention creeps up? With marketing later on? By nostr focusing on Other Stuff other than the twitter clone format? Genuine question btw

Hmm good question, what do you think? I'm mostly focused on nostr's use case as a communications tool, in which I expect the monotopic problem to be resolved by different means of content/people exploration, i.e. the choice of algorithms. There's a big difference between users coming for (bitcoin or other) content, and users coming to try something new, bound together by interests in freedom tech, self-sovereignty, an social experience uncontrolled by big tech, etc. Typically early adopters and innovators are defined by the will to be early and try something new before anyone else, and their technical proficiency, regardless of their preferred content. In this case this overlaps much with the typical bitcoiner. The other stuff, and other use cases, each have their own composition of early adopter users, which is too grand to simply think through, as it requires measuring and research on what they actually value, which communication channels are optimal for reaching them, and which niche of that segment is open for a significantly better solution than the current alternative they're using, and how strong a position those competitors hold.

I have no idea really how a social media grows beyond the niche early adopters to wider appeal 🤔 I take your points tho and I think I mostly agree. I'm just curious how that step happens, I don't think it is guaranteed even if the tech is good. Probably not a good time for Nostr in the form of twitter clone clients. imo twitter has the userbase coupled with a just-about-free-enough content policy for most users and content creators. Obviously this could change at any moment, so there's that, possibility in the future. One of Nostr's strengths and uniqueness is being able to build on it, and it should definitely attract more builders. (Coding is increasingly a 'normie' area of interest anyway maybe?) I think a lot of the nostr ethos isnt exclusive to b!tcoiners, but I see the overlap you're suggesting. I think a lot of it comes down to b!tcointwitter culture which was inevitably to be brought over to here. But seems overwhelming in the feed with not much else around for it to be amongst, ie the sloganeering and jokes. This doesn't really appeal to anyone outside of BT, and even within BT itself. I suppose I see it as the difference between being a Cyclist ™️ and riding a bike. I think the 'normie' and a lot of non-normies like b!tcoin, hold it, like the idea of tipoing in it etc they just don't want to consume BT culture (or not exclusively). They're not the lycra wearers, they just ride a bike lol:) 🤔

How does a small number of relays offer either of those things? Posts are centralised through the relays; and can be censored or even deleted by the relay operators. ActivityPub is wholly decentralised, and is just as resistant to censorship. So is a blog that uses RSS. Why is Nostr better?

With ActivityPub, user's get censored and deplatformed or rugged quite often by server admins. I can publish my content to 100's of relays, and I do. The architecture is just different. ActivityPub has been around since 2016, so if course it has more users, but as people see how a servee admin can rug you but a relay admin cannot, they'll change their minds.

I she to read your comment again as it just doesn't make much sense to me. How can notes be centralized through relays? How? How? If I am posting my notes to 100+ relays and they all store my data, that is the absolute definition of decentralization. With ActivityPub, I store my posts on ONE server. Sure, dozens and dozens maybe even hundreds of severs exist, but using your words, they're centralized through each serverz because of the mast.to server goes away in an instant, all users that use it also lose their data and entire social graph. ActivityPub is more distributed computing and not decentralized computing.

💯 Freedom money IS freedom communication, and protocols like Nostr are merely another layer on top. Focusing on bitcoiners is a good move since they're more likely to be liberty-minded and self-responsible

I burned my Shitter account to the ground this morning. Done with those tards over there. Nostr has been around for more than a year now, and the bitcoiners that aren't active over here by now are never going to get it because they're just LARPing the whole freedom schtick.

I love seeing things like this because it reminds me how FEW people really hold bitcoin. As @jackspirko said a couple years back (and got me to finally buy in) 'if you buy bitcoin today, you're still an early adopter'. Think about that! Not even all the geeks are into bitcoin, so a small percentage of a small percentage. Where does it go when 10% of humans want some? (up Laura)