Oddbean new post about login | logout What you’re describing is more like mostr.pub where fediverse users are writing events with nsecs tied to their Mastodon accounts. I don’t know much about how that works though, but I’m pretty sure @Alex Gleason isn’t sitting on a pile of nsecs.
I highly doubt he's personally messaging everyone on Mastodon and providing them with their NSEC 🤣
No, they can’t login using it either but I think nobody has the nsec as it’s probably generated cryptographically and never stored anywhere. Someone correct me if I’m wrong please.
Twitter could and I hope does exactly this. Then I will charge Elon 10 BTC for the idea and send it all to Nostr devs.
Twitter would probably not do this because then it would have to support an open standard where they can’t police the content.
Oh they absolutely could. They could run their own relay and indexing service and control all content which goes in and out. It wouldn't be a vanilla experience, but it's how they would probably integrate Nostr.
But if an X user’s note ends up stored on a relay that doesn’t support delete, it’s stuck out there in the wild.
That's something they'll have to come to terms with and give users a choice to opt-in. I assume it will a check box. "Participate in Nostr: your Tweets will be sent to Nostr. Please note that doing so, your Tweets on Nostr may not be able to be deleted from all Nostr servers."
I don’t see it happening under the current regime.
Nsecs are generated by combining the ActivityPub ID with a secret key and then hashing it. It's technically custodial keys I guess, but they're not stored in a database, just computed at runtime and cached for the duration of the session.
interesting. theorically can anyone hack this keys and start messing around on nostr (for mastodon users)
They would need the secret key that only the bridge has, but yes. If someone broke into the server they could impersonate ActivityPub users. That's no different from any site though. Except that Nostr would make it hard or impossible to recover from a breach like that since compromising a key is permanent.
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ok in reverse. if i have a my nsec on nostr and the bridge emulates an account on mastodon, my nsec on nostr side is always secure right?
technically the likelihood of a mastodon person to talk / interact / get data from a nostr person is lesser than than the other way round so as long as my nsec is secure i am fine. i practice safe nsec. hehe
Your nsec wouldn’t be compromised. The only risk is to the corresponding ActivityPub ID on the other end.
What attack vectors are there where this could happen and how secure is the mostr.pub server? The fact that it’s centralized like this is fairly concerning, ngl.
Thanks @Alex Gleason, I guess I understood it correctly! What is the risk of a key becoming compromised?
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So you're okay for one client to do this, but not okay for another client to do it? Yikes.
Nostr key custody should be a test bed for bitcoin key management. Anything unique outside of “we just hold the keys”? What’s the trade off gained technically?
Nostr key custody should be a test bed for bitcoin key management. Anything unique outside of “we just hold the keys”? What’s the trade off gained technically?
Oh I understand it. I just like pushing your buttons. Remember when you said that clients could post for you if they managed your keys... How is that different here? Alex could fake a post and we'd never know unless we went and looked on Mastodon to confirm it. That's a lot of work that 99% of people aren't going to do, because we're trying Alex. Your move.
How many clients do this now?