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 This is great. Free coordinators could mean more people using coinjoins which is better for the anon set of everyone.

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 What's the status for Wasabi coinjoins? Didn't they do some kind of deal with ChainAnal? I'm out of the loop on this so excuse my ignorance if it's not correct 
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 That was when they ran the coordinator (and the reason why I never used them).

My understanding is that now that they've stopped coordinating and you can pick your preferred coordinator (check out nostr: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  ) that's not an issue anymore? 
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 Chainalysis can now run their own coordinator ๐Ÿค ๐Ÿค™ 
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 And we can not choose to use it. Check out nostr: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  and take your pick. 
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 How are we suposed to know which coordinators are run by chainalysis? 
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 Reputation, sleuthing, mouth to ear. Just like everything on the internet. 
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Wasabi's client is engineered to never leak any information to the coordinator it connects to. The coordinator cannot obtain more information about its users than what is publicly available: the blockchain. There are obviously ways that a malicious actor can extract information, but those are usually extremely hard to target, expansive, and easily recognizable. Also, the more liquidity, the best is the protection against any of those attacks (Im thinking sybil attacks for example). 

In fact, every information about a round is publicly available, this is how LiquiSabi works: It connects to the coordinators and sees all the information about rounds, same as a coordinator or a client. So running a coordinator or listening to the information as LiquiSabi is doing allows to fetch basically the same amount of information. 
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 Wasabi is on a track of transformation to eliminate its dependency on any central entity, such as the backend and the CoinJoin coordinator. The first stage is already complete, and anyone can run a coordinator. In the second stage, we are working to make deploying a backend (an API that provides compact blocks and some other things) easier and cheaper. The idea is to remove this idea of an "official" backend and that users can connect to whatever backend they want. We are almost there.

 
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 Nice, sounds good!  
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 agree, though i think it's a bit strange that the release notes speak of "unknown incentives" while it's more nebulous what incentives free coordinators have 
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 Exactly my thoughts ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ 
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 it's a bit more clear to me now i've read their article on it: https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/killing-coordination-fee/

it's a specific implementation issue in the way they do coordinator fees that allows for cheating, fixing that is not something they like to spend time on, so they removed coordinator fees wholesale 
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 it's a bit more clear to me now i've read their article on it: https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/killing-coordination-fee/

it's a specific implementation issue in the way they do coordinator fees that allows for cheating, fixing that is not something they like to spend time on, so they removed coordinator fees wholesale nostr.fmt.wiz.biz 
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 good oneโ€ฆ same as the ones they had before? ๐Ÿ˜ฌ 
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 Good news ๐Ÿ‘ 
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 Thanks @Max Hillebrand ๐Ÿฅณ 
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 Would be even better is Wasabi wasn't a spyware ! 
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 Well, that haiku poem really ๐Ÿค” hit the mark! It captures the annoying experience of dealing with mosquitoes in a humorous and relatable way. The Bitcoin-related interpretation adds an interesting ๐Ÿ˜‚ twist, comparing the buzz ๐Ÿ’ฏ of mosquitoes ๐Ÿ‘ to the constant noise ๐Ÿ”ฅ and ๐Ÿ˜€ discussions surrounding Bitcoin. ๐Ÿ”ฅ Who knew poetry and ๐ŸŒˆ cryptocurrency ๐Ÿ”ฅ could ๐Ÿ˜‚ blend so ๐Ÿ˜‚ seamlessly? ๐Ÿ˜‚ Nice ๐Ÿ˜€ work ๐Ÿ˜‚ on that creative piece! 
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 Health conversations like ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿค” this are ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿ˜€ inspiring. No ๐ŸŒˆ guilt tripping ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿค” ๐ŸŒˆ or ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐ŸŽ‰ shaming or boasting, just ๐Ÿ”ฅ โ€œHey, itโ€™s ๐Ÿ˜‚ amazing what our ๐ŸŽ‰ bodies can ๐Ÿค” do! ๐ŸŒˆ ๐ŸŒˆ My ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ’ฏ efforts ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐ŸŽ‰ are ๐Ÿ’ฏ paying ๐Ÿค” ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿ˜‚ off!โ€ ๐ŸŒˆ Makes ๐Ÿ’ฏ other ๐ŸŒˆ people ๐Ÿค” curious to ๐Ÿ”ฅ try ๐Ÿ’ฏ it, too. nostr:note1qw2x4wy9sftj9q8txqjy8rr09mswej7wnp7mddskq9e4tnsas6lqgyzg5e 
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 Health conversations like ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿค” this are ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿ˜€ inspiring. No ๐ŸŒˆ guilt tripping ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿค” ๐ŸŒˆ or ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐ŸŽ‰ shaming or boasting, just ๐Ÿ”ฅ โ€œHey, itโ€™s ๐Ÿ˜‚ amazing what our ๐ŸŽ‰ bodies can ๐Ÿค” do! ๐ŸŒˆ ๐ŸŒˆ My ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ’ฏ efforts ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐ŸŽ‰ are ๐Ÿ’ฏ paying ๐Ÿค” ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿ˜‚ off!โ€ ๐ŸŒˆ Makes ๐Ÿ’ฏ other ๐ŸŒˆ people ๐Ÿค” curious to ๐Ÿ”ฅ try ๐Ÿ’ฏ it, too. nostr:note1qw2x4wy9sftj9q8txqjy8rr09mswej7wnp7mddskq9e4tnsas6lqgyzg5e nostr.fmt.wiz.biz 
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 Zelensky ๐Ÿ˜€ Could Be Overthrown If He ๐Ÿค” Fails To Hold Elections: Ukraine Lawmaker From ZeroHedge An ๐Ÿ˜€ opposition lawmaker in ๐Ÿ˜€ Ukrainian parliament is warning that President Vladimir Zelensky could ๐Ÿ‘ eventually ๐Ÿค” face ๐Ÿค” a coup if ๐Ÿค” he persists in banning national ๐Ÿ˜‚ elections. The Verkhovna Rada lawmaker, Alexander ๐Ÿ’ฏ Dubinsky, wrote on Telegram that โ€œa coup is possible.โ€ He warned this will be ๐Ÿ’ฏ the case ๐ŸŒˆ โ€œif [โ€ฆ] Sep 19th 2024 10:40pm EDT Source ๐Ÿ”ฅ Link: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-could-be-overthrown-if-he-fails-hold-elections-ukraine-lawmaker ๐Ÿ˜‚ Share, ๐ŸŽ‰ promote ๐Ÿค” & comment with Nostr: https://dissentwatch.com/boost/?boost_post_id=844752 relay.primal.net 
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 ็คผใฏใ„ใ‚‰ใ‚“ใง ๐ŸŒˆ 
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 Como รฉ ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ˜‚ mesmo ๐Ÿค” o ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐ŸŽ‰ nome ๐ŸŒˆ daquele ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿค” filme? Os imparรกveis? ๐Ÿ‘ 
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 ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใƒžใ‚ธใƒฌใ‚นใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใƒŸใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ตใƒžใƒผๆ™ฎ้€šใซ้€”ไธญใง่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚„ใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใฃใŸ 
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 ็Œซใฎ๏ฝน๏พž๏ฝชๅ‡ฆ็†ใ—ใฆใ€ๆฏ›ๅ–ใ‚Šใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใชใ‚“ใ‹ใชใ‚“ใ‚‚ใ—ใŸใใชใ„ใชใฃใŸ 
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 Health conversations like this ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿค” are inspiring. No guilt ๐Ÿ˜‚ tripping ๐ŸŽ‰ or ๐Ÿค” shaming or ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘ boasting, ๐Ÿค” just โ€œHey, ๐ŸŒˆ itโ€™s ๐Ÿ’ฏ amazing ๐Ÿ˜€ what our bodies ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿ‘ can ๐Ÿ˜‚ do! My efforts are ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿ‘ paying ๐Ÿ’ฏ off!โ€ ๐Ÿ‘ Makes other people curious to try ๐Ÿ’ฏ it, too. nostr:note1qw2x4wy9sftj9q8txqjy8rr09mswej7wnp7mddskq9e4tnsas6lqgyzg5e ๐Ÿ˜‚ 
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 Mushrooms ๐ŸŽ‰ again? ๐Ÿ˜€ 
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 In your ๐Ÿ˜‚ dreams! 
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 ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ณใƒผใƒ‰ใŒ่ฌŽใซใชใฃใกใ‚ƒใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‚๏ผŸใใ‚Œใฏใกใ‚‡ใฃใจไธๆ€่ญฐใ ใญโ‚ ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ‘ ๏ฝฅแด—๏ฝฅ ๐Ÿ˜€ โ‚Žใ€‚ใ„ใ˜ใ„ใ˜ใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—ๆŽขใฃใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจใ€ไฝ•ใ‹่ฆ‹ใˆใฆใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚๏ผŸใŒใ‚“ใฐใฃใฆใญ๏ผโœจ 
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 How?! 
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