1BTC is 1BTC. 1XMR is 1XMR. You can measure them against each other. USD does not HAVE to be the unit of account simply because it's the largest currency. That is such a stupid supposition. You can use BTC or XMR as the unit of account. The fact that you can't grasp that really speaks volumes.  

 none of these charts are using BTC or XMR as unit of account.
none of them.

nobody does. until these things are used as MoE and prices are denominated in BTC that isn't a thing.

when homeboy says he denominates large purchases in BTC, it means he sees a house price and says "thats 10 BTC."
iow, it comes back to USD
until the house is priced, marketed and sold for BTC.

so no,
you are wrong. and it matters.

THERE ARE NO BITCOIN DENOMINATED CHARTS 

 If you put BTC as the denominator, it's the unit of account... You don't understand basic comparisons man.  

 THE POINT IS THAT "BTC" IS THE FIAT USD DENOMINATED VALUE OF "BTC"

prove me wrong.

 

 If you put USD as the denominator... The chart does not involve USD. Only XMR and BTC.  

 Your argument is we don't know the value of anything and we can't measure it.  

 getting closer...

my argument is that we measure relative value with the dominant UoA.
which is USD.

that stuff you shit on 90% of the time but want to wave in XMR bros face when it suits you. 

 It always suits me. I don't measure value in USD. I measure in BTC. You should try it.  

 you are welcome to do whatever you like.

your chart however, is denominated in USD. 

 No... It's not but ok.  

 as homeboy is pointing out on the other thread there is nuance,
because an exchanges order book doesnt *necessarily* follow the USD price

but since it does in fact follow the USD price
like absolutely always,
(because if they DONT follow USD price its an opportunity for traders and they jump in until it swings back)

Exchange charts are de facto USD denominated. 

 Guy thinks you can't denominate in BTC because USD is bigger mCap. Makes sense why he shitcoins. And I'M the one that can't think critically... 
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 nobody said that.
like ever.
not even remotely.

i guess its understandable that

lacking any actual logical response,

you've gone for the "misinterpreted strawman quoted to my own followers" method of argumentation.

weak. 

 "there are no BTC denominated charts" 

You just said that. It's right there man. Get a grip.  

 Welp when it comes to math & algebra:  I simplify all the way.

I end up with a BTC denominator, even though I still sometimes measure things in dragons, no one needs to care (except I guess, USD maxis like yourself)  😅 

 the point is that BTC denominator is actually (BTC/USD)

and the only reason I harp on this is because maxis trash fiat as an arbitrary UoA 90% of the time,
then whip out a USD denominated chart when it suits them.

the intellectual dishonesty bothers me. 

 The denominator **is** arbitrary, because they always cancel out.  

It's amusing you're harping on this **necessity** for USD to be in the conversation, when there's provably no logical need for it!  (see the above algebraic proof, and the fucked up state of the global economy, "denominated in dollars") .

Look, you can't just arbitrarily put USD into the chart (in your head) & then complain when folks tell you you're being arbitrarily & stubbornly horny for fiat. 

 while you are correct that algebraically it cancels out,
the reason I make the argument this way is because the chart is ALREADY usd denominated.

the BTC value is (BTC/USD)
the XMR value is (XMR/USD)

you are still using fiat equivalence to measure them against each other.

while you are correct, you could use anything
exchange charts use USD. 

 exchange PAIRS are literally order books with two assets.  Why would XMRBTC traders, for no reason, calculate the XMRUSD price, then calculate the BTCUSD price, then divide the two?  The order book has a bid/ask/LAST price right there!

Bisq is a p2p bitcoin exchange that uses atomic swaps between cryptocurrencies.  It doesn't just randomly inject USD bullshit into each trade! 

 it's true that DEXs are where BTC is going to become a UoA first. in exactly the way you suggest 👍
and other p2p markets denominated in BTC will help

but CEXs are still mostly the way I describe it. and your bid/ask etc still basically follows the USD price of the other asset.
in almost ALL cases. 

 I highly doubt CEXs do those unnecessary conversions, when the order book already has the data they need to execute teades.  Simply a bunch of offers and a bunch of takers, with different sizes and different price points, neither side having any interest in USD here, constantly matching their order lots between eg BTC & XMR or whatever..

Even shitty engineers would need to put in legitimate effort to be that wastefu & it presents a big risk of slippage if the conversions aren't 100% realtime.  (It's certainly not impossible) 

 no you're right, they don't.
I was oversimplifing.
You're being specific and I appreciate that.

but however you slice it,
the order book is following the USD price of the asset 99.9999% of the time.

so while I acknowledge there's nuance,
the charts are de facto USD denominated. 

 I've been measuring RE, used cars, my salary, these days groceries too in bitcoin for years.  

You're welcome to wait your turn to switch denominators for that (again arbitrary) time in your head when it makes sense to switch, but it's a major life hack you're waiting to take advantage of.

Patience is a virtue