Oddbean new post about login | logout @33109f92 I feel like the idea of Federation is a bit bad for an app Reddit-like that already has islands within islands, you need to choose the instance and which "r/" will choose and from which instance. I would feel more comfortable if each "r/" was a federated account and the instances were only for the user side.
@3ec9d23e I am not entirely sure what you mean tbh, mind to elaborate on that a little?
@33109f92 Maybe my non-native English won't help much in trying to explain haha, but basically I'm saying that the format that Reddit has already separates topics by sub-reddits, which means that for each post it must already be within an "island" . Lemmy makes this process quite complicated.
@3ec9d23e Don't worry, my english isn't native ether and I know that feeling! If I understand you right I somewhat agree, I don't think it's visable to host a server for each community but even tho it's not in the activitypub protocol optional shared communities could make a lot of sense. I do think that Federation makes a lot of sense for a platform like Reddit as well tho, what I view as it's biggest issue are the Reddit users, there is so much scum on Lemmy, it's frustrating!
@3ec9d23e Lemmy users often claim that defederation is a huge problem and shouldn't be used but I think it's actually quite the opposite, especially as a long time Mastodon user! Instances like Hexbear that spread facist propaganda should be excluded but the center of FOSS communities Lemmy.ml is sadly run by the Lemmy creators who also run Lemmingrad so that's going to be a real challange and causes right wing trash to flood alternatives like Lemm.ee and make those unusable.
@3ec9d23e The thread based model has the side effect of far more federation than something like Mastodon and that causes massive issues with moderation. Furthermore the community rather than account based approach also limits personal liability to some extend which causes people to drop some boundaries. If you want to use a platform like that you basically have to be ready to insult people that do the same to you, it sucks but I can't find a better way to deal with the human trash there.
@3ec9d23e @33109f92 Or maybe that every community has their own instance. Than it would just be forums that are federated. I guess I'll keep on dreaming :)
@e8a94444 @3ec9d23e There was a attempt to get Activitypub support into Discourse years ago but as far as I know they didn't see the purpose and declined to implement it byond a extension. That's from a fediverse forum thread I read years ago tho and it was outdated back then so maybe things changed by now, hope dies last!
@e8a94444 @33109f92 It's also a good idea. The truth is that I think the current format doesn't help much. I am more aware of the problem than what could be a solution.
@3ec9d23e @e8a94444 Yea, that's the majore problem I have too. The whole thing is already split in topic based communities so further splitting is confusing but we also have to consider the social aspect. Different instances build very different groups of people and we also need some way to split those. I for example replaced the Lemmy.world technology community with the Beehaw one because I hate the neo liberal "technology will save us" garbage rather than the content in that community.