Oddbean new post about login | logout I AM A NOSTR NOOB, TEACH ME WISE ONES I want to love Nostr and use it more. My problem is discoverability - it’s very hard to recreate a social graph + algo that beats Twitter. I see less content here and people see my posts less, so I have fewer conversations. How do I bootstrap the nostr graph without so much drudgery? Help @ODELL @NVK @LynAlden @JeffG and anyone else I know in this place
Tagging @gladstein too
Follow people that are followed by those you know (just go to your friends following list and add anyone you know)
try @primal and use the “Trending 24h” filter accessible from the upper right box… it’s a good start to find some good notes/people, but not yet part of the obvious/default experience for a n00b
Just start interacting with people and you’ll build up a follow list in no time. You can also follow these bots that help with discovery. @Trending @FatZaps @WavlakeTrendingBot You can also check out @primal and @YakiHonne which have many different feeds to check out.
The key thing is you don’t just want a list of followers. You want a list of people you interact with. “Following lists” are pure fiat.
Follow more people, follow more hashtags, engage if you are genuinely interested with others
Just learned you can follow hashtags. Nice recommendation
🤝 you can also view other people’s followed hashtags https://image.nostr.build/83e8467541aa56f48b492ee1a8a78f53af032f499dffbb7f14151d09c86eb835.jpg
must post GM every day
This actually works.
Hello and welcome. Side note are you using https://connect.nos.social/ so that all of your Nostr posts also populate your twitter account. Plus there are some relays that will cross post into fediverse and bluesky if you are interested.
Great place to start is to copy someone else's follow list who you think might have good taste!
You mean you're used to your social experience being handed to you on a platter that is of not your choosing. In nostr you have to put in effort to see things AND to be seen. Without you doing things you'll get neither. Everything you see here is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, either take it or don't ultimately the experience you have here is up to you.
This man hands out cold hard reality on a platter and I like it
By the wise words of a man from joe dirt " home is where you make it" Nostr is a home get building it because its yours and nobody can take that from you! I didnt want to come off as mean in any way. Just have to be upfront. We cant create something new and expect it to be exactly like the old thing that we bitch and whine about how shitty it is. On the other hand welcome to nostr Start with these resources and see if it helps. Nostr.how
Make a fresh anonymous ID on Twitter and one on nostr .. and then compare yourself where you are getting more traction - on the basis of your content rather than the network you already have there .. Mathematically speaking , since Twitter has half a billion users verses say 50 k on nostr .. discoverability is lot harder there .. As for algos ..X algos only help the ones that make more money for them .. you sure don't wanna be in that grind .. and exactly why #nostr is the best ..
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Engage for engagement. Say GM and GN. Follow #plebchain and #introductions. Come back often, always something new. Discover new clients through https://nostrapps.com and #asknostr for advice on anything.
I tried to zap you but couldn't...
Follow lots of people. Follow hashtags. Use DVMs. https://image.nostr.build/34d5fe0bc8bc4cda136678b3a3305ad186c9243918351b05482cfd1fd09a169b.jpg
What’s a DVM?
Data vending machine.
How does a DVM work?
Here's one you can play with: nostr:nprofile1qqsvv0zmfcsmnv0vdde66pzf565938mtmp2ze27euh0x4er5k287spspz9mhxue69uhkgandwvhxvdm69e5k7qgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8qunfd4skctnwv46qz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcfcv8de You send it sats and it can do stuff for you via DMs like generate AI images. Others like the ones in the note discovery tab on Amethyst that nostr:nprofile1qqsxu35yyt0mwjjh8pcz4zprhxegz69t4wr9t74vk6zne58wzh0waycppemhxue69uhhjctzw5hx6ef0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjt3s0p3ksct59e3k7mf0qyt8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytndd9kx7afwd3hkctctqc4jq posted are free.
Btw nostr:nprofile1qqsvv0zmfcsmnv0vdde66pzf565938mtmp2ze27euh0x4er5k287spspz9mhxue69uhkgandwvhxvdm69e5k7qgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8qunfd4skctnwv46qz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcfcv8de technically is not a DVM but a bot that communicates with DVMs. It's an interface you can use from any client, even if they don't natively integrate NIP90 (DVMs). There's some web based clients for DVMs too and some of the social clients integrate some DVM kinds like Amethyst or Nostrudel
There's different kinds of DVMs. The ones we see in Gigis screenshot are content discovery DVMs. They aggregate notes and apply a set of rules or filters on the notes and build a feed based on these rules. There's topic related ones, follow related ones, most zapped, most engagement in various timespans on various relays and for different kinds. This is a growing open marketplace and every client that implements nip90 can benefit from it. There might be free or paid or subscription based ones, but currently most are free to use.
Boom. Thanks.
What does DVM stand for?
Data Vending Machines. These are micro services living on Nostr doing various tasks. Content discovery is one of them. But literally anything. Llms, GenAI, you can even write on the Bitcoin timechain or scan files for viruses.
Advice from a normal pleb. Fill out your bio a bit more, with what you are personally interested in, hobbies, values etc. If I go to someone's bio and there's no info I'm less interested in following you as a person.
Lots of good advice in this thread. I’ve been around here for over a year and a half and it pretty much comes down to what people are saying. Follow more people and do some digging. The #grownostr hashtag is great for finding people who aren’t exclusively talking about bitcoin or nostr. But it seems like a real issue for getting this thing off the ground. Especially for people not really into bitcoin.
Use hashtags, engage, follow, and post regularly… you are comparing a specific platform to a general protocol, sure there will someday probably be platforms running nostr that will have algorithms.
What the heck is a social graph?!?!? You are NOT a noob! I am the newb! I'm contented to scribble my notes on the pictures and heart the adorable stuff and lol the hilarious stuff... Social grapht... Good grief!
Thanks for joining
Hey Nick! Nostr is smaller and more intimate at this early stage, but high signal. I have found that following a lot of people helps, since there’s less overall activity and having more follows gets the activity on your feed up. You can go through some of your favorite people’s follows and make sure you are following people you recognize for starters. Also, Nostr tends to incentivize less debating and sensationalism, so it’s a bit less active in the negative sense. It’s more mellow, less addicting. I tried to send you some zaps but it says you don’t have a wallet set up yet.
Also set up a lightning address so we can zap you !
Drudgery? Nostr is Proof Of Involvement. That’s your choice.
Could you elaborate on what exactly this means? I just got here.
Kiss algorithms goodbye 👋 none here..... your in control here , you choose and dictate your content and feed .. Nostr is interaction based it's a community here no information is spoonfed to you. use hashtags # and enjoy..... Welcome 😊 ______________________________________ #Bitcoin #ember #DCA #dca #hodl #HODL #sats #stacksats #soundmoney #corruptfed #stayhumble #btc #emberapp #Btc #zaps #zap #coffee #powerlaw @hodle
You got to have different approach in #Nostr I would say most sharing here is great stuff, but it need some creativity or keywords to find the post. To start, we need to add all those expert in our link by following them. If you are expert, find follower that interest your subject.
You’re currently only following 100 people. You can look through other people’s follower lists (you’re welcome to borrow mine) as well as any of the people who are commenting on this thread. Don’t be afraid to #AskNostr. Nothing will be served up automatically, but if you put in some PoW and post consistently you’ll start to see results.
So hashtags actually work for discovery in Nostr, that makes sense and is interesting. Since they are pretty much useless on Twitter now
Yes! Xitter has ruined one of its best user-generated features, but since we are the algorithm here, we don’t have that problem.
Shitter
That is how it’s pronounced. 🫡
We are the algorithm. Discoverability is who we interact with and us actually putting in the work in reaching out for those we want in our circle. No more of Twitter /X’s cluttered ads and “for you” page. It’s BLISS! (check out my page if you’re interested in #fitness & #wellness or PT-related brain bits 🧠)
Here we don't discriminate. Including white straight men
Yup. The most important thing is to follow more folks and make sure you’ve got your various relay lists setup so you’re as discoverable as possible (both for people and features). Happy to chat directly if you want the high speed crash course.
No algorithms, no advertising, no corporations, no bs. Well, it's all people posting so I'm sure there's a lot of bs. But the other three are certainly true. So what we're doing is building new networks from scratch. X isn't going to link to this. Fediverse has, but it's hard to find people across the bridge. If you follow enough people, you'll scroll for days, and if that's what you want to do with your time, then just follow everyone. Personally, I'm living my life, checking this feed when I have time, and stacking sats.
It takes more time, but with a bit of patience I'm sure it'll grow on you. I have come to appreciate the distinctly different feel over the other platforms, but it took a while.
Hey Nick 👋 welcome! I would call me a nostr noob as well. I’m learning new stuff every day. Specially from this note and all the replies you got
Welcome from Cape Town 🇿🇦 Get a #bitcoin lightning address in your profile/ settings so people can #zap you and you can add value to good content by zappong others. You have custodial … https://get.blink.sv/drluke … and non-custodial options: Unlock financial freedom with AQUA. https://aquawallet.io
Using alby on desktop, need to set up the wallet in primal I think
Click on your photo, then profile, then edit. Scrole down and add your LNURL address. https://image.nostr.build/1638f73b9e568f611e343076c5c282eef09a5a02596b4a04f5b98a1929edb649.jpg
I think I got it done. See if you can zap me?
Worked. Whatever Lightning address you put in your profile will work across all clients, but if you’re using Primal on mobile you can only use the built-in wallet to send zaps. Other mobile clients like Damus, Amethyst, etc. let you connect Alby directly for one-tap zaps. On all web clients you can use the Alby chrome extension to sign your notes and zap.
Alby can be used to zap on Primal, it needs to be setup thru Nostr Wallet Connect. https://image.nostr.build/542334e694eeaf05e26ccfa49d4747c800d1318ea5ef01539aedf8326898fa95.jpg
I can’t find this feature in the app. (I’m running TestFlight v1.9.3.)
Oh, you're using apple version. Nevermind. I'm on android.
Probably a Tim Apple restriction.
Make sure you hit the 'Broadcast 🌐' button after posting.
Make sure you hit the "broadcast" button after posting: https://image.nostr.build/bf8e7e00ecd06af5bc308a41184c4175dbe95c425b93b95859bcfb615526c243.jpg
If you have come to nostr to replicate your previous experience, what is the point. First step will be to discard what you have already learnt, then you may be ready to learn something new.
Alright I like this
I suspect Nostr will be a slow to develop because it's decentralised and unlike anything before. (with the exception of maybe ham radio) This makes it interesting but whether it will ever catch on is another matter. Individuals follow the crowd for a reason and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Welcome, followed. No hurry no worries. Nostr isn’t a business you don’t have to win here.✌️
less "content" is what we all need. scroll until it's "done" than go outside and Little a spoon on the porch.
Follow me 😉
Done!
Followed back!
The graph is one thing but most-zapped is the other thing! Zaps are an under-appreciated tool.
It’s called shitposting, fam. Try it sometime.
Don’t you have hotdogs to serve or something get out of here
Kitchen’s not open for 5 more hours so this is what you get. https://image.nostr.build/ab56f943d8c37ede8b4304ca4e1b92516a4261d05c8641f4d8bb7e7299e7488c.jpg
Post pics of your dog. If you don’t have a dog I’m outta ideas. https://image.nostr.build/344ce18498a154e6a946c554fce0be0e52fbb9439b6aa5f3216f60f122ffbb56.jpg
Wallet is number 1 issue if you wanna experience nostr’s magick https://m.primal.net/KCLq.jpg
good day sir.
Felt similarly but after a year I’ve got some traction and better use. Have you tried being Lyn Alden?
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Follow the devs because they are making this and we all interact with them. @jb55 @fiatjaf @Gigi @Derek Ross @tyiu @santos @NotBiebs @Kieran @Karnage @BITKARROT (and many more I am remiss) Follow the @wavlake team and artists as well @rheedio @ltngstore @Ainsley @Joe Martin 🎶🟠⚡ @justloud just to getcha started Then there’s @tunestr with @OpenMike @Drainscreen @saltycyrus and don’t miss Monday night’s stream live from @vinyllounge in Nashville with artists from @PhantomPowerMusic Many of us stem from @NostrPHX so if you’re ever in the desert, come hang 🤙 There’s a lot going on here 🔥 🔊 signal from @TheGuySwann @LynAlden @NunyaBidness @Jor @djvalerieblove @Svetski Art from @isolabell.art 🎨 Photography from @Malos10 Memes by @corndalorian And @QW is the mayor and does @Plebchain Radio with @AviBurra #plebchain live on Nostr Nests. Log in with @Alby. @Noshole is funny and @Marie, finally, is the glue holding this whole thing together 🚀 LFG
Yeah I’m the sticky one😜💜
Rawr 🦁 kinda messy but we loves it
Following a lot of people rather than being really selective about your follows is a good strategy here. You see way more conversations and good posts that are “one hop away” from your graph that you’d otherwise miss. Also I follow a handful of hashtags that are really helpful for branching out, but there is some risk there, fyi. I’m hoping clients start making some features (and/or thinking of doing this myself on the relay side if it’s not too much work) to help with the problem of spam and porn in global. More integrated web of trust visibility will help there as well.
It’s a weird concept. You follow the people you want: Frens that you respect, admire or make you laugh… and then, you see those individuals on your feed, you interact with them when they post insightful notes, either commenting and/or zapping those notes with lightning ⚡️ After a few weeks/months/years, your account grows organically.
So true
Starting from the beginning is hard… which is what makes this protocol great. Once you have accumulated followers, those followers continue following you in every diff app you use in the future. You won’t need to rebuild your followers from scratch, ever again. New Nostr client? All your familiar frens already there… it should work great as this space develops ✨
Try coracle's custom feeds. Lots of options there, and some pre built ones under "Manage Feeds". Here are a few to get started with: nostr:naddr1qvzqqqrujgpzp75cf0tahv5z7plpdeaws7ex52nmnwgtwfr2g3m37r844evqrr6jqyghwumn8ghj7vf5xqhxvdm69e5k7tcpzdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujue3h0ghxjme0qyd8wumn8ghj7urewfsk66ty9enxjct5dfskvtnrdakj7qgnwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxtcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuetcd96zuur4vghsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0qyf8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtn5dahkcue0qy28wumn8ghj7un9d3shjctzd3jjummjvuhsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wghxyctwvshsqypnxv6n2wfsxvcrqwp4x5crqde5y806rj nostr:naddr1qvzqqqrujgpzq3an3axnwgfep4dkhmmcmt3l8cug3mxm7xzylwenhzrjr5mx6hygqythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjt3s0p3ksct59e3k7mf0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg5waehxw309aex2mrp09skymr99ehhyee0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uqpqv3cxu6rvv34xu6ngwpjx5enzvcm222e6 (Open this note in coracle)
THIS! Coracle is the best client for discovering people to follow. Just follow a few people you know, and then jump into Global with your minimum web-of-trust score cranked to 10. You'll find plenty of quality people and content worth interacting with. Quality replies then go the longest way to growing a base of people who care to see what you have to say, as well.
Feeds, follow hashtags, start hashtags and follow them. Follow other people who use hashtags you are interested in. But tbh it's very different to twitter. There just isn't the footfall or breadth of topics and or conversations around Other topic... Yet?
There is no easy mode. Algos were always a bad idea. The aim of the game is effective social connections, not followers at all cost. You earn your social network by, you know…..networking. The old fashioned way. Not by being fed like a baby bird from the mouth of Elon. I’m not in anyway trying to be abrasive. Just to help you see that the algo and ‘discoverability’ is exactly what makes your time on Nostr better and more effective in the long run. No more passive choices being picked for you….time to choose your own adventure! I’m sure you’ll love it in the end.
This resonates. Very well said. Nostr is a true and authentic social network where we can control our own experience. It’s empowering, but takes real effort. Followed.
100% it is hard work. No quick returns. Followed back, look forward to seeing what you have to say.
I think it’s a work in progress and like any social media out there, you still need to engage and build a following.
I have no engagement on Twitter (apart from bots), so no hardship transferring across here. Also great not to have a character limit…
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Welcome! Here's a good starting place to get caught up 👇 nostr:nevent1qqs8ydcerseav9c5vpv49es0kn4ezdf057nk94u5snhdadhyy0223qgprfmhxue69uhhqatjv9mxjerp9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsygqqrzm7uvlmy5uyxcuuvt3f9lk8qznf4yas3m3hf3da49cunvu4vspsgqqqqqqsljs3kl
