Oddbean

It’s a good question. What’s considered a good amount of sales at a local farmers market? It probably depends on a combination of factors. My point is just that nobody putting in the time to create content of any type will be interested upon hearing that on average users tip a nickel each per week. 🤷‍♂️😂

I doubt that. The only people that need sats from nostr are the relays who have to pay for bandwidth and I'm happy to provided value for value there. I sometimes zap memers but I certainly don't feel obligated to. Content creators and artists are free ply their wares but there is no guarantee of income anywhere as I've seen some horrible art presented here that I would pay 1 sat for. Does nostr need ad revenue? No. Sponsors? No. What else then?

More important? That’s a weird comment to make. No one is more important than anyone else. We were talking about creators getting compensated for their work. I don’t see what dog shit has to do with it 🤷🏾‍♂️

If I create crap content and expect to get compensated for it then I am delusional. If I create good content and don't get compensated for it then I need to lower my expectations or find another market or create for the love of creating. If I get well compensated for my content then as a member of a free market social experiment, I am grateful but cannot dictate what my content will be valued at. For example I have taken time and effort to explain the bottom line on the truth of nostriches spending sats on content. My content was good and yet I did not receive on sat for it , but since I expended time and effort because of my love for nostr I am not disappointed. Again, IMHO at this point only relay operators have the ability to dictate income to match their expenditures.

I got your point. No one is arguing that bad content shouldn’t get rewarded. My point was the incentive for a creator (not someone who makes dog shit) to use nostr. The point of the original note.

I'm not going to beat a dead ostrich. A lot of the content is dog shit and its as though the creators expect to get compensated. Truly exceptional content will be compensated but the level of it cannot be dictated.

Value for value on nostr, so yes for now. Without relays we have no nostr. Dev's that write code are nice to have but since the basics are already laid down, it could stop here and sostr would be fine. You are pushing the zap thing to some kind of extreme which will only work if its organic and can't be forced.

I believe we are probably coming from different viewpoints on the use case for nostr. It has many use cases, including being a place where creators and artists can connect with audiences and directly monetize their work while cutting out middlemen such as advertisers and centralized content platforms. Nostr has other use cases too. Not all of them require a zap/v4v economy. Not every website on the internet needs to make money. But some are intended to do just that, and some uses for nostr are as well. The relays ate important, but they are not the end goal here.

I appreciate your lucidity, thank you. If some creators intend their content to "make money" and they don't, then perhaps their content is not very good, but it is impossible for you to look at a "zap chart" and deduce what exactly is being zapped. 90% of my zaps go to memes that make me lol. I would happily zap devs who write code but to a retard like me, those things are incomprehensible and invisible, occurring in the backround and unseen.

Also, if someone wants to use nostr as an ad platform for selling wine for example, then zaps mean nothing as all the winemaker needs to do is direct traffic to his website and offer value for value there in the form of fiat or bitcoin. I myself just muted a winemaker for over-advertising his product. It got tiresome.

BitBurn makes sense and what he says doesn't exclude what you wish to see Nostr turn into. Neitherof your points contradict other points. The Nostr "brand" is add-free, no banning, no algos pushing addictive crap... The zaps are a cool feature that needs to be further experimented with. Instagram, tiktok is full of immoral individuals who gain followers with low iq content and then companies recruit them to shill shit. This can work here too but zaps play no part of it. X pays a share of ad revenue, which is outright impossible here unless ads are allowed, and again zaps play no role in that. Nostr is a whole new animal.