Oddbean new post about login | logout yesterday i unfollowed everyone on twitter to reset and test the algorithm. my experience generally stayed the same, with a pretty high quality of signal. it will only get better, towards what tiktok was able to do. the algorithm isn’t the problem. the problem arises when the algorithm is a black box, can’t be turned off, or can’t be replaced by another one someone else wrote. being able to choose if an algorithm is used, and which one is used, is key. no one is done this well yet. twitter is the only one that allows a choice in the first place.
stop flirting with us
Wats a twitter?
I tried it once about 10 yeats ago. It was s cesspool back then. I think I lasted a week or so. I left and never looked back. Been on Nostr much longer now.
An algorithm that you pay for would change everything
Currently looks like you follow 3 people on Twitter. Tell us more about how algorithms work.
You heard it folks😄Algo is coming to nostr🤪 But seriously, what’s your thoughts on having integrated algo vs being an algo ?
I really want to use Twitter. I have stopped logging in to Twitter for 2 months, because the police of CCP threatened me to detain me if I use Twitter again. I'm so scared that I dare not log in to Twitter.😭😭😭
Nostr is better, anyways. Don't tell the CCP I told you that.
I am very grateful to Twitter. Provide real information during covid from 2020 to 2022, and know that the covid vaccine is fake. I refused to get the covid vaccine. Let the people around are not be vaccinated against covid and save many lives. Now, those who don't get the covid vaccine thank me for providing real information. In fact, it is the real information provided by Twitter. People who don't get the covid vaccine are very healthy now. The sequelae of stupid people getting the covid vaccine are very serious. Therefore, Twitter is a great social platform. I love Twitter 🙏🙏🙏
我也是通过推特了解了足够多的信息，避免蒙蔽成小白鼠。
TikTok's algorithm-based recommendations make it easier to find information and people. More accurately discover diverse content that you might be interested in. TikTok, on the other hand, algorithmically analyzes the amount of time you spend on certain content and the interaction history of likes, comments and retweets to determine whether you like that type of content. Let's categorize the users. This type of users through their own diverse hobbies and interests to recommend to the same type of users. Let's say you like bitcoin and technology, there are users who like that type of content and there are users who like rock climbing and diving. Intelligent algorithms recommend you rock climbing and diving, and the chances that you will like the content and users are very high. This avoids the echo chamber problem. By analyzing the same type of user data, an intelligent algorithm can know all the interests of this type of user, and it can understand you better than a psychologist. Its ability to tap into users' demand potential is why TikTok is so addictive. Because it's human nature to be curious. nostr:note19dwzdmuf8p2zgwru3j42hn5npqzu67drtuy7hwrz6mjynxefj5fsee2xx3
I don’t think twitter forgot who you are Jack.
It probably took you a while to unfollow everyone! Unless you are able to unfollow everyone at once!
I understand he’s a gifted programmer …bettin’ he’s got a nuke button on standby.
Gifted 👏💫
We have a kind for that on nostr and there are some first implementations existing. We need better integration in social clients and ideally a large pool of algos to choose from. https://github.com/nostr-protocol/data-vending-machines/blob/master/kinds/5300.md
I'm interested. Make it super easy Pleb friendly thanks https://m.primal.net/HnCv.jpg
Twitter doesn't give you a choice to choose your feed algo though. Not sure what you mean.
You can choose between only your follows or the "For You" algo
Ah, got it. I thought he meant that the 'For you' page algo itself could be changed, which is why I was confused
If you give your “unfollowing” the benefit of time will you see increasingly disparate results? Maybe there’s a user-based lag. I agree with your thesis though…it’s like Elections. If Elections happen in a black box, they’re not elections. At all. Period, no argument. So authenticity is the way forward, for those who wish to build.
https://m.primal.net/IBcM.jpg I don’t care!! Blah blah blah 😕 Politics- let’s get it right they should have an “ira” day just because I am just so lovable!! 💋 you ain’t right at all - jeeper creeper 👀 the algorithm of ira to as well -definitive - superb-
Well then its settled everyone go back to Nostr.
twitter's algorithms are terrible, I don't really interact with political content but I get political content shown every day, every day I get Elon Musk posts even though I don't follow him and every time I click on less Elon Musk content but it doesn't work. TikTok has nothing to do with this, if you don't interact with political content, they'll never show you political content.
Agreed. The important factors are choice, options and transparency. I don't mind that I see some accounts with differing opinions. If they share negative content then I mute or block. As a result I don't have a negative experience on Twitter because I filter my flow proactively. Nostr is a great alternative but it will take some time for it to compete in regards to reach. My shadowbanned Twitter-account still has better reach than my Nostr profile.😄
I started a new account, didn't follow anyone. But just liking and commenting get "for you" to serve me more of the same plus some deviation. But at the same time it started to place a lot of green doomers and commies, that apparently live in some parallel reality. And after a while I had to tell the algo I don't want to see that. To my surprise most of it is just gone now. Maybe nostr is still too smol, but still it would be nice to have a "standard" for feed algos, so you could create/modify/share/download a bunch and quickly use it in any (universal) nostr client/browser.
Ehm. What's the reason to even open the tab "for you"? If it is not retweeted by some of the people I'm following, then it is not worthy to read.
Curiosity?
Do you know why Vines failed and TikTok has thrived? I liked Vines.
Several reasons here https://www.makeuseof.com/why-did-tiktok-succeed-but-vine-failed/
I don't know if you can avoid the algos being black boxes. They are that even for people closely working on developing them. But you can observe and measure their effects and outcomes, and make it easy for people to switch or curate them. It's time to usher in the algorithm arbitrage.
What’s your take on the way https://www.heymaven.com is approaching it? Just listened to this interview and thought it was pretty interesting, but never heard of it before. https://youtu.be/5zg_5hg8Ydo?si=TMTv6yTFmbhhOyHh
yes as i said before we need to have the same choice of algorithms as we already have of relays and clients. @fiatjaf
you just described how Bluesky works
I made a fresh account on Twitter recently. I only followed a few large-ish accounts, and the algorithm fed me massive amounts of outrage fodder
Do you also have a MySpace account?
there was someone claiming to be myspace tom on nostr maybe a year back? https://image.nostr.build/f320d35927db3918db88d14264c957eea25a8539c44b355ef293be00bd15c179.png
Wasn't that Jack Dorsey? I know there was definitely some old school social media names here.
Awesome! ❤️ https://m.primal.net/IBnP.png
closed-source is slavery. you should know what you're wasting your time on, cuz time is money. nostr:note1d0f6l4jzt2wg2e8efcsll4pn8lc2qs85yselradp4m6k44dq22ws0ggvru
are you ok
Algorithms are a problem in that they prevent meaningful social relationships and promote social madness But it's not a problem that can be solved without infringing freedoms It's strange that the current lack of freedom errs on the side of enforcing harmful behavior
What’s Twitter? Don’t you mean “X, formally known as Twitter?” 🤣
What if we ported the existing X algo to Damus? Then all were still missing is the network affect
you still follow elon.
