yesterday i unfollowed everyone on twitter to reset and test the algorithm.

my experience generally stayed the same, with a pretty high quality of signal. it will only get better, towards what tiktok was able to do.

the algorithm isn’t the problem. the problem arises when the algorithm is a black box, can’t be turned off, or can’t be replaced by another one someone else wrote.

being able to choose if an algorithm is used, and which one is used, is key. no one is done this well yet. twitter is the only one that allows a choice in the first place.


Ah so that’s what you meant by purge!


It will never be able to do what TikTok is able to do.


stop flirting with us


Wats a twitter?


An algorithm that you pay for would change everything


Bluesky is a lot closer to achieving this than nostr is right now. 😬


what is an algorithm even?


:elmofire:


How can we understand the algorithm?


Currently looks like you follow 3 people on Twitter.  Tell us more about how algorithms work.


you're awesome.👍👍👍


You heard it folks😄Algo is coming to nostr🤪
But seriously, what’s your thoughts on having integrated algo vs being an algo ?


choices, i just want choices and the freedom to use none.


I really want to use Twitter.
I have stopped logging in to Twitter for 2 months, because the police of CCP threatened me to detain me if I use Twitter again.
I'm so scared that I dare not log in to Twitter.😭😭😭


TikTok's algorithm-based recommendations make it easier to find information and people. More accurately discover diverse content that you might be interested in.

TikTok, on the other hand, algorithmically analyzes the amount of time you spend on certain content and the interaction history of likes, comments and retweets to determine whether you like that type of content. Let's categorize the users. This type of users through their own diverse hobbies and interests to recommend to the same type of users. Let's say you like bitcoin and technology, there are users who like that type of content and there are users who like rock climbing and diving. Intelligent algorithms recommend you rock climbing and diving, and the chances that you will like the content and users are very high. This avoids the echo chamber problem.

By analyzing the same type of user data, an intelligent algorithm can know all the interests of this type of user, and it can understand you better than a psychologist.

 Its ability to tap into users' demand potential is why TikTok is so addictive. Because it's human nature to be curious.

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Nostr is better, anyways. Don't tell the CCP I told you that.


I don’t think twitter forgot who you are Jack.


I tried it once about 10 yeats ago. It was s cesspool back then. I think I lasted a week or so. I left and never looked back.

Been on Nostr much longer now.


It probably took you a while to unfollow everyone! Unless you are able to unfollow everyone at once!


As an advanced feature make it configurable.


I am very grateful to Twitter. Provide real information during covid from 2020 to 2022, and know that the covid vaccine is fake.
I refused to get the covid vaccine. Let the people around  are not be vaccinated against covid and save many lives.
Now, those who don't get the covid vaccine thank me for providing real information. In fact, it is the real information provided by Twitter.
People who don't get the covid vaccine are very healthy now.
The sequelae of stupid people getting the covid vaccine are very serious.
Therefore, Twitter is a great social platform.

I love Twitter 🙏🙏🙏


I understand he’s a gifted programmer …bettin’ he’s got a nuke button on standby.


Love that you still call it Twitter 🫂


Onward 🫡


Gifted 👏💫


I recommend Lyn Alden as your next twitter follow 😎


yesterday i unfollowed everyone on twitter to reset and test the algorithm.

my experience generally stayed the same, with a pretty high quality of signal. it will only get better, towards what tiktok was able to do.

the algorithm isn’t the problem. the problem arises when the algorithm is a black box, can’t be turned off, or can’t be replaced by another one someone else wrote.

being able to choose if an algorithm is used, and which one is used, is key. no one is done this well yet. twitter is the only one that allows a choice in the first place.


我也是通过推特了解了足够多的信息，避免蒙蔽成小白鼠。


We have a kind for that on nostr and there are some first implementations existing. We need better integration in social clients and ideally a large pool of algos to choose from.
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/data-vending-machines/blob/master/kinds/5300.md


哈🤣，所以推特，已经救了许多中国普通人的生命。这就是邪恶的CCP集团害怕Twitter的原因。CCP最怕Twitter，因为Twitter可以获取真相。邪恶的CCP还要继续祸害中国人，继续奴役中国人。


2022年covid疫情期间，封城期间，饿死许多人。令人震惊不已的就是2022年封城饿死人。还是上海，国际大都市因为封城期间在上海生活的人被饿死。导致现在的上海的外企员工都跑掉，不敢来上海。上海国际大都市封城饿死人。西安市也是因为封城饿死人。2022年因为封城。禁大陆人出门。导致许多人精神状态异常跳楼自杀死亡也有很多。这些荒唐不堪回首的事情都是发生在2022年的covid疫情封城期间真实的历史记载。


你也没打covid疫苗？恭喜你，也是568万人群中最幸运也是最有见识的人。全中国只有568万人没打过从covid 疫苗，10亿人打过covid疫苗的人现在许多人都有后遗症。隔三差五都要去医院看病。浪费钱财还受罪。还有打过covid疫苗的人血液有毒。不能治病还有毒传染。导致没打过疫苗的人也血液很宝贵。所以。没打过covid疫苗的人可能会被CCP监控要强制捐血。


许多有钱人，那时都出钱叫农民工帮他们打疫苗应付检查，价格有2000元-3000元人民币。许多农民工没钱就是靠帮有钱人去打covid疫苗谋生。有钱人出钱让穷的农民工拿着他们富有的人的微信健康码打疫苗的验证码去打疫苗，其实不是他们本人是农民工拿钱帮有钱人去打疫苗应付检查。之前打疫苗的时候都必须看微信健康码来操作。


在2020年-2022年恐怖😱的covid疫情期间，因为有Twitter的陪伴，才渡过那三年恐怖又荒唐的3年。所以。永远支持Twitter平台。


因为当时封城，封社区，无法出门。呆在家里很无聊。所以，只能翻墙使用推特，用推特，才获取真资讯。解闷。让封城期间的生活又多一点安慰。


Twitter doesn't give you a choice to choose your feed algo though. Not sure what you mean.


Twitter lists is my favourite way of using  the site


If you give your “unfollowing” the benefit of time will you see increasingly disparate results?  Maybe there’s a user-based lag.

I agree with your thesis though…it’s like Elections. If Elections happen in a black box, they’re not elections. At all. Period, no argument.

So authenticity is the way forward, for those who wish to build.


Right on!


surreal to read this - on Nostr 🤯


https://m.primal.net/IBcM.jpg
I don’t care!! Blah blah blah 😕
Politics- let’s get it right they should have an “ira” day just because I am just so lovable!! 💋 you ain’t right at all - jeeper creeper 👀 the algorithm of ira to as well -definitive - superb-


Well then its settled everyone go back to Nostr.


twitter's algorithms are terrible, I don't really interact with political content but I get political content shown every day, every day I get Elon Musk posts even though I don't follow him and every time I click on less Elon Musk content but it doesn't work. TikTok has nothing to do with this, if you don't interact with political content, they'll never show you political content.


Agreed.

The important factors are choice, options and transparency.

I don't mind that I see some accounts with differing opinions. If they share negative content then I mute or block. As a result I don't have a negative experience on Twitter because I filter my flow proactively.

Nostr is a great alternative but it will take some time for it to compete in regards to reach. My shadowbanned Twitter-account still has better reach than my Nostr profile.😄


I started a new account, didn't follow anyone. But just liking and commenting get "for you" to serve me more of the same plus some deviation.

But at the same time it started to place a lot of green doomers and commies, that apparently live in some parallel reality. And after a while I had to tell the algo I don't want to see that. To my surprise most of it is just gone now.

Maybe nostr is still too smol, but still it would be nice to have a "standard" for feed algos, so you could create/modify/share/download a bunch and quickly use it in any (universal) nostr client/browser.


Do you know why Vines failed and TikTok has thrived?

I liked Vines.


He’s a big fan of #nostr, and for that I am truly a big fan.


Delete the algorithm


yesterday i unfollowed everyone on twitter to reset and test the algorithm.

my experience generally stayed the same, with a pretty high quality of signal. it will only get better, towards what tiktok was able to do.

the algorithm isn’t the problem. the problem arises when the algorithm is a black box, can’t be turned off, or can’t be replaced by another one someone else wrote.

being able to choose if an algorithm is used, and which one is used, is key. no one is done this well yet. twitter is the only one that allows a choice in the first place.


Onward 🫡


Let's go 🚀


I don't know if you can avoid the algos being black boxes. They are that even for people closely working on developing them.

But you can observe and measure their effects and outcomes, and make it easy for people to switch or curate them.

It's time to usher in the algorithm arbitrage.


gotta disagree about all that


What’s your take on the way https://www.heymaven.com is approaching it?

Just listened to this interview and thought it was pretty interesting, but never heard of it before.

https://youtu.be/5zg_5hg8Ydo?si=TMTv6yTFmbhhOyHh


Several reasons here
https://www.makeuseof.com/why-did-tiktok-succeed-but-vine-failed/


You can choose between only your follows or the "For You" algo


Ah, got it. I thought he meant that the 'For you' page algo itself could be changed, which is why I was confused


Birding I see


Birding 😱


There is also "show less of this" but with mixed results


Oh yes, I've been using that. It's been effective for me in recent times. It used to be quite unresponsive.


Could Nostr host a competition of algorithms ?


yes as i said before we need to have the same choice of algorithms as we already have of relays and clients. nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6


Yep and it never goes away no matter how often you tell it you're not interested. It tries to force sports on me too. Don't want it.


you just described how Bluesky works


Same.  I try to keep my x account as small as possible tho
I was changing my handle/email/phone number attached but fk that Im done
𝕏 is what its is


I'm interested. Make it super easy Pleb friendly thanks
https://m.primal.net/HnCv.jpg


Onward 🫡


I made a fresh account on Twitter recently. I only followed a few large-ish accounts, and the algorithm fed me massive amounts of outrage fodder


Ehm. What's the reason to even open the tab "for you"? If it is not retweeted by some of the people I'm following, then it is not worthy to read.


Do you also have a MySpace account?


Awesome! ❤
https://m.primal.net/IBnP.png


Wen Hal Finney?


Cool story u still ruined Twitter


LFG! 🚀🚀


closed-source is slavery. you should know what you're wasting your time on, cuz time is money.

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yesterday i unfollowed everyone on twitter to reset and test the algorithm.

my experience generally stayed the same, with a pretty high quality of signal. it will only get better, towards what tiktok was able to do.

the algorithm isn’t the problem. the problem arises when the algorithm is a black box, can’t be turned off, or can’t be replaced by another one someone else wrote.

being able to choose if an algorithm is used, and which one is used, is key. no one is done this well yet. twitter is the only one that allows a choice in the first place.


100%. This is my experience as well


STAY HUMBLE STACK SATS 🫡


are you ok


Algorithms are a problem in that they prevent meaningful social relationships and promote social madness

But it's not a problem that can be solved without infringing freedoms

It's strange that the current lack of freedom errs on the side of enforcing harmful behavior


there was someone claiming to be myspace tom on nostr maybe a year back?
https://image.nostr.build/f320d35927db3918db88d14264c957eea25a8539c44b355ef293be00bd15c179.png


Wasn't that Jack Dorsey? I know there was definitely some old school social media names here.


Oops just noticed this was a response to my earlier comment.

Tom, Mark and Jack are all the same to me…


What’s Twitter? Don’t you mean “X, formally known as Twitter?” 🤣


Curiosity?


Onward 🫡


Any chance you can get my Twitter accounts keithkman and kmanbtc unbanned? I’ve appealed with zero luck. :/


What if we ported the existing X algo to Damus? Then all were still missing is the network affect


btw, idk if you know this but on Bluesky custom feeds have shipped, it’s really easy to create your own algorithms or use ones by other users! nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m


Facts


And they did it


We’ve got some prototypes for doing this in DVM’s which works in a couple of nostr clients but there is a lot more work to do to make it useful.  Bluesky’s really excelling in this area.


you still follow elon.


agree


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