Oddbean new post about login | logout The negativity you'll immediately experience as soon as a project catches on can be depressing and it's one of the reasons why some people can't emotionally deal with building in the open. Most successful projects have their personal cult of haters that keep harassing the developers. I've experienced this myself. It is what it is. The haters will hate. The builders will build. Please be mindful about this and encourage the builders around you if you like what they're doing. Even a small comment goes a long way.
You’re doing great. Keep going!
That's fantastic to hear from such a great project as ZEUS.
there will always be haters, the only difference between a successful project and one that fails is the ability to filter out between effective criticism and between the retards who don't create anything of value so just spend their days shitting on everyone😂 anyone with 2 braincells knows how much you've done for the space and how early we still are with this whole ecash thing. there are so many things we still haven't tried/thought of and the possibilities are actually endless. I think I speak for everyone when I say thank you calle!!
would love to experience that kind of depression! So far I am in the "mostly no feedback" depression phase. (I am also not open sourcing everything, so might be wrong here.)
You need to talk about your stuff on the open, it's a good way to sharpen your own understanding of the limitations and potential of your project. If you keep it highly autistic and academic, respecting your peers and focussing on technical discussions and not on people and motives, it can be a very rewarding experience.
I just watched something on YouTube and your name came up. I had no idea you built the Nostr Relay Aggregator thing on LnBits. That's genius. Often us non technical folks lack the confidence to talk to technical people even to express gratitude.
Oh yeah I've built a nostr multiplexer aggregator thing because nostr used to ate all my phone battery and data – it was pretty useful. Connect to one relay instead of 25.
I used to question cashu but now I’m a cashu maxi. I understand the value prop 🤝 Ty for your amazing work! Keep going! 💪 Fuck haters.
Thank you for all the things you do to improve nostr, Karnage. Whenever you touch something, it turns sexy and useful.
What do you mean harass? How badly can someone want you not to build something they likely not to use since they don’t like it?
I applaud Cashu, it's interesting, I need to educate myself more on it. Embrace the haters, https://image.nostr.build/9e6f7ba845536fd362e067912bf20f24cc60da70a6ea434f985f3676385965e6.jpg
Why do haters never open pull requests?
That would imply that they want to improve the project, not dunk on it.
I can relate to this. Eventually I gave up. Fuck the world. Sometimes I wonder if humanity deserves anything good.
I'm very sorry this happened. That's the worst outcome. You need to find a way to ignore the haters, they usually don't contribute to anything good. Most productive devs already figured out that you can't get anywhere if you're a hater at the same time. People just won't collaborate with you and nobody will be interested in discussing anything with you. You won't get feedback either. Be kind, surround yourself with kind people, ignore the rest.
The rest is restricted 🥱
I guess I'm a very sensible person and the troll army got me by surprise. I knew trolls existed because I came from the Linux community. But when money software is involved, trolls are in another league. Eventually you waste 90% of your time fighting with trolls and at that point your project reputation is wasted and any effort you make is lost. You are lucky you got to the point your software is functional. I didn't got to that point, perhaps because I was aiming too high. Keep on the good work! And as you say, don't waste a minute with trolls, that was my error.
That's very interesting to hear and I'd like to learn more about what you were working on. I hope you know that Bitcoin needs devs like you. You can always try again when you're ready.
I was working in a distributed decentralized database before Ethereum and other shitcoins even entered the scope. I failed mostly because everybody wanted to create a token and premine on it, but I wanted it to interact with Bitcoin, not to create a token, and of course not to premine it. https://github.com/wetube/bitcloud
Hard earned success in public inevitably attracts envy. The real signal is that you're doing something well, with impact. Keep it up and see through the discouraging experiences to free yourself further from identification with other people's perspectives. Congrats man, your integrity is an inspiration.
Hang in there. Take the criticism as constructive feedback that you can use to resolve the concerns that many of us have with custodial solutions that can be easily taken out by nation state actors and scammers. I've been a critic because I want to encourage developers like yourself to find a way if possible to remove or reduce this need for trust or single points of failure to the greatest degree possile. Also, it is misleading for anyone to refer to eCash as "bitcoin" or "layer 2" nonsense. These are bitcoin "IOUs" and are a totally different currency than actual bitcoin. The trick is to figure how to make these IOUs trustless and nation-state resistant. Do this, and you have a winner
Cashu is a game changer for lightning.
I feel this is particularly bad for those who value constructive criticism, but need to sift through the toxicity to find it. Would be easier to just ignore everyone, but then you miss the diamonds in the rough.
indeed the worst part of this. Maybe ai can help us filter more efficiently some day
You have to be a loser to harass developers.
We need more love ❤️
I think devs often are not the best advocate for their projects. I see you spending a lot of time trying to defend, but if that doesn't make you feel good, then just let other people hash it out. Worthy projects will create eloquent promoters and defenders. It is brutal, but battle is the trial for ultimate longevity.
Actually I don't even feel like I'm defending much but more like explaining. That doesn't mean I don't get shit from people, but I usually don't respond to that. I just speak clearly, as @ODELL would say.
Speaking clearly builds trust particularly among a community so skeptical as Bitcoiners. This is why you are doing a great job, not only with your amazing development but your straightforward communication style. So keep it up and let's show the haters who's gonna win.
I never understood this, especially in the FOSS world. I've recommended changes or suggested preferences but I don't believe I've ever been negative. These are folks who are voluntarily working on a project that I don't have to use. I may have done it differently but I'm not doing it. If you're serious about a change you want to see, pony up some $$$. That will probably work better than negativity.
100% this! You are doing a great job.
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toxic positivity = toxic negativity nostr:nevent1qqsvyx6uh5pvlxj6zs8chm3t0j6l350dc9g3dxda6d2m869ly69tmespr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqzypgdjn7zmpvqc6ptqud9gtutrcc6yq9s2z96h9dr80hss4wl9qwkxqcyqqqqqqg4rnk6z
I really like cashu's project area, which brings the privacy of lightning payments back to Bitcoin. Thank you for your great work calle 👁️⚡👁️ , the best support for cashu is to use cashu construction in the client, I am working on 💪🫂💜
haters gonna hate https://media1.tenor.com/m/RQhfYEQKd04AAAAC/nebbo.gif
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Cashu and eNuts are great 🎯🤙🏻
Systemd in particular, despite that Leonard Poettering authored a fantastic piece of work that has run nearly flawlessly for a decade. #coding #linux nostr:nevent1qqsvyx6uh5pvlxj6zs8chm3t0j6l350dc9g3dxda6d2m869ly69tmespz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqygzsm98u9kzcp35zkpc62shck8335gqtq5yt4w26xwl0pp2a72qavvpsgqqqqqqs5m37ga
Cashu is great 🫡
FWIW I've never had mega-haters on a project I've built. Built many. I've had: -Disciple-like lovers -Totally uninterested -Eager for more If a project has excessive haters, or total lack of interest; us builders should be asking ourselves: "Are we building an actual solution to a problem? Or are we solving a problem that doesn't exist?" Agree with builder encouragement. Disagree with enabling bad building.
Important note: I have no idea what you're building haha My comment is generic in nature.
I’m trying to learn more about development and software engineering but I’ve continually been impressed with you and your projects. Whether your notes on #nostr or as a guest on podcasts. LFG 🤙
fuck the fucking haters
but but... you're building it all wrong fucking losers
Keep going.
You'd be on the wrong path if nobody is in the way.
