Oddbean

Tend to agree with your view on the first point. However I would contend the Boomers are almost a different species. Humanity has never seen such a generation before. Everyone before and since has been concerned about the wellbeing of who and what comes next in a way they just aren’t and in large part I think that’s because of how indoctrinated and bought into the fiat system they have been. Recently I posted a quote about identity which has been on my mind: nostr:note1rqgpl4ylw9sf72nl4wrkpg2vur43whwppu25vjjmjm9t9jesa84sycwrsd And in my “Goldbugs aren’t Bitcoiners” note I wrote “And this is why the Goldbugs ultimately failed - they had no positive vision to articulate for the world, and thus no identity for others to adopt.” Goldbugs tend to be Boomers or late GenX at least. Your point that there is nuance I accept, but I’m thinking about the delineation of identity - both in terms of a positive one that people can adopt which I believe has to come from Millennials for a strong future, but inherit in that is the negative/out group whose values need to be rejected. I understand that most on #nostr would prefer to focus on the positive vision which is the more noble pursuit but the dirty work of “who is not” must still be done. So it’s not about “hate” but rather, how the negative traits that we want pushed out of culture are to be framed.

I understand and mostly agree. But I try to look from an individual point of view as much as I can. There are for sure boomers that built stuff that brought (by that time) unseen levels of prosperity. You focus on your field of expertise and make world a better place. And you can't influence everything. There are boomers and there are boomers. Also from european point of view, the pre-boomer generations were responsible for ww1, ww2 and communism. In czechia in 1950s commie mobs just took other people property en masse, sometimes made the owners flee, sometimes they killed them, sometimes they made them the lowest ranking "employees" on their former property while still forcing them to pay the mortgages even after there was a money reform. They even sent parents to a prison and left their little children to take care of themselves while robbing them of everything. Imagine being an individual on one or the other side of this. A big chunk of 20th century was so bad in europe, esp. if you ended up on the red side of the iron curtain. Things got better at the end of it in "boomer prime years". Of course there is a lot of to criticize, A LOT. Goldbugs - agree 100%, but some of them are switching out of doomerism to bitcoin, so there's that too.

You’ve followed me for a while so you know I’m not a collectivist in any sense and believe strongly in individual rights. Identity as a concept is beyond that. It fills a hole in the human psyche much like religion does. Or statism for that matter. It’s why this whole transmaoist movement has become so prominent. I get that you might prefer more nuance in such a discussion but @DcntralizedMind saw what I was doing. This was meant to be subversive. I’m not interested in nuance on this particular subject (generally I am), I have shittons of that in my own personal identity and how I ended up here as an #AUStrich rather than being one of a myriad European identities from my lineage. This thread was posted from my #Bitcoiner identity. An identity which I’m deeply interested in exploring, whose boundaries are not well defined, which I believe needs better definition if it is to survive and grow and be capable of being the white blood cells for this system trying to do something beyond me as an individual. nostr:note1jcvu55yrt85vapk79zvvav2emr9szpfce43d4c72tpn2yvg6n4nq72s53a

I wholeheartedly agree. I have seen the WW2/Boomer generation build and participate in a system that is apathetic to the values that have held society together since the beginning of time. I personally have lived with a feeling of uneasiness about it and even railed in my childhood about exactly why the hell there are geriatric people in the Senate who will never see the results of their decisions and so clearly live amongst a generation that has no concern for where we are actually headed. That said, we have access to a wealth of information that they didn’t, so I forgive them if they’re too old to change the world. Just get the fuck out of our way. I feel this on a personal level within my family and would be appreciative of a rallying cry and a cementous identity to combat that apathy.

“Just get the fuck out of our way.” They won’t. This is precisely why I’m exploring the idea. The gerontocracy will cling on til they die in office ala Dianne Feinstein. People thought she was an aberration - no, she is the new normal. If you’re familiar with the debt and unfunded liabilities and the money sitting in retirement accounts which will attract politicians, you will see this. The Boomers are gonna go on the offensive and try to keep the system together for their benefit as it naturally unravels. They’ll do everything to protect their wealth and kick the can of consequences for future generations to deal with. Millennials have to stand up and build the alternative, show people a better way. The system is going to become increasingly decrepit and ineffective as the average age of its representatives keeps going up. Don’t ask them to get the fuck out of the way. Show another way, totally new rails, and bring the next generations in so we don’t repeat Boomer mistakes.

Very true. Their system is getting sick as they do. Getting weaker as they do. Will die when they do. This assumes we can reach subsequent generations. My children understand….that’s as far as I have gotten.

This is your burden. Bringing in your children’s friends. Ideally via their parents but regardless of their hookups, get the kids onboard. Again look to how the leftists went about their slow march through institutions if you need to understand how this works.