Oddbean

This is generally not true with open source . . . because the minute open source projects start collecting data, they get branched, or people abandon using them. For example, the [Simple Tools App Suite](https://simplemobiletools.com/), which was bought out to a company known to collect data, so it was immediately branched to the [Fossify App Suite](nostr:nevent1qqsx0fl5rxzvgz89jctm26ze64hxyeskmmrw3yw290xfjwzms8e9tdqpzdmhxw309akx7cmpd35x7um58g6rsd3eqgsym07t03wahqjfl8r7hrppuqvlpralklk9mm25pzmpgkgtawx3d9grqsqqqqqpayf9jw)

American Ice Cream Dear 2 year old. Let’s take a trip to the playground. Go play with the other children. All the children stay entertained & blissfully play in peace. The ice cream truck comes with every choice imaginable. We go to purchase ice cream but realize some of the other kids don’t have money. They don’t even come to the line. Doesn’t that make you sad? They are unable to see they should be allowed the same choices & a fair chance at purchasing ice cream. Dear 2 year old: I’m going to pay for others to have some ice cream now. Run away mad if you want. I’ll explain later. The 2 year old is angry but eventually forgets about the ice cream & plays again. Later the 2 year old lays down for a nap. I explain that WE can have ice cream whenever we want. Others don’t have that choice. Is that fair? Shouldn’t humans help one another when we can? He sleeps. On the other side of town a child sleeps thinking about how good that ice cream tastes & he will do anything to be able to afford ice cream in the future. He grows up & makes money to do so but quickly forgets that others should be given ice cream as well. Isn’t that sad? In another version of the USA we all live happily & have the freedom to choose our favorite flavor of ice cream. We work together sharing our resources & pay others fairly to create the bowls that hold our ice cream. But that’s just an American dream. —- If we do Nostr right: beautiful snowflakes or humanity will realize the beauty in weird 🌕🎈

The relay owners who keep on selling data like Twitter fiat twats, aren't going to make it, as long as enough early adopters insist on a more correct path. Free to access shouldn't require giving up our soul to a fiat creep masquerading as a freedom fighter. In this case, I really don't see anything wrong with some strongly worded, but simple agreement that flashes up by default when Nostr users connect to a relay. "Our relay will not forward a single piece of data to any third party. If we do, we understand that when it comes to light, that is the swift end of our relay's existence on Nostr." End of guideline. I presume, overall, that reflects the will of Nostr users? To back it up, Nostr needs tools to monitor the potential central points of failure of ethos, and tools to make the community aware of those relays harvesting data. It doesn't need to be anything subjective. Data in, no data out. If that isn't the case, up goes the red flag. If the cause of the data leaving the system was the FBI with a gun that's one thing. If it's anything else, adiós. The community needs to demonstrate that there is more potential social benefits or income from being an ethical relay than a data snitch. I'm not talking guideline theory here. I have seen it in practice in my former work life, where there were no legally enforceable rules, but plain speaking, this is how we roll in this business community. If you don't think you can participate on this basis, don't bother joining, because when the network finds out a fellow member has been taking the piss, their connections and benefits here are toast. And the network will find out because we value what we have built up and we aren't going to let our values slide, because those core values are all we have to differentiate ourselves from the rest. Guidelines help those users in a weak moment, all of us at some point in time, to process the repercussions of saying one thing and doing another for purely selfish ends. Some rules but no rulers. My tuppence worth. With no technical smarts to know how far relays can be monitored.