Oddbean

Well let's see, one I never said that did I. Two, this is about war not Nazis, this is about leaders putting their own ideology over the good and lives or their people. Also Nazism is rampant in Ukraine and I have been exposing it since 2008. My family is from Ukraine and I likely know a bit more about this than you. Russia can be a bad actor and everything else I have said can still be true. I bet you know NOTHING of the situation. I bet you don't know this war has been going on since 2014 for instance. I bet you don't now the people of Donbas petitioned Russia for help because Kiev was bombing them with US weapons for 8 years before Russia invaded. I bet you don't now Putin was not all in on the invasion that unlike the US, Russia did follow their constitution and the Russian congress voted for the action and forced Putin's hand on it. I bet if I gave you a map of Europe and Asia with no words on it you could not point to Ukraine on it. I bet you don't know what the word Ukraine even means. I bet you don't know the first time Ukraine was even a nation to itself, or the second. May be you should get a little information about a situation before using no less than three fallacies in responding to an analogy about it.

I was born in Donetsk and grew up there. Had relatives there up till 2022. By 2014 I was living in Crimea and I saw how Russians did the annexation. For last 10 years I live in Lviv. But right, you guys in US surely know better, watching/reading Russia Today. Sieg Heil.

One thing i would agree with you is “it is about leaders putting their own ideology over the good and lives or their people” People of Ukraine are fighting against Russian state. The state of Ukraine, along with Zelensky, is evil, like any other state, but Russian Federation is many times worse.

because I'm 44 and have obligations before by family -- nobody would care about them but me, -- and also because of some minor health issues. This is why I'm not going as a volunteer. I've been called by військомат though, and they did not draft me so far.

I was writing from my phone. Now switched to pc client. Okay ) Ukraine in Ukrainian language means about the same as "country". Russians tend to say it's an "edge" or "borderline", but the word does not come from Russian language so they're probably wrong. Whatever, Kyivan Rus' was long before the Moskovia.

Ukrainians didn't come up with the word, the place was called Ukraine long before there was a thought of a Ukraine nation. The words root is not Russian, rather Polish and it does basically mean "borderlands". And you've ignored all my other points, I guess they are uncomfortable. Also you missed the original point, Ukraine has lost, badly. There is no path to victory. Putin is no interested in all of Ukraine, never has been. The US should simply step OUT of this, Ukraine and Russia would have a treaty in a few weeks if we did. No nation has ever benefited by a prolonged war. If Ukraine wants to pick a fight with Russia (which they did) they should fight their own fight. If we hand't promised unending checks there'd be no war because Ukraine would not of pushed Russia into it. The US in this is like the asshole kids that convince a wimpy kid that he "can take the bully" in a fight, razz him up and then get involved just enough to keep the fight going while the wimp gets beat to shit for their amusement. Ukraine was used by the US and this was all set into final motion when we created and illegal coup in Ukraine. Ukraine has lost about 500K men to death, far more to disabling life long injury. The population has largely fled in a hot chick and productive upward male brain drain. The writing is on the wall. The only question is how many more die and how many more years will Ukraine be set back before Blackrock et al. make a fortune rebuilding what is left with a FLOOD of immigrants brought in to do the work and take over Ukraine in the end. AND ONE MORE TIME, if this fight is so righteous why are you hanging out in the safe zone instead of going to the front. The play the piano with a dick cross dresser that runs Ukraine is drafting senior citizens, I am sure they'd take you in a heart beat.

I did answer your "points", some of them more than once. I'm 44, that's average age in UA army now. Not a senior but not the youngest. I cannot run and cannot dig. But if/when they draft me, I will go. I'm on their list.

>The words root is not Russian, rather Polish and it does basically mean "borderlands". There is word KRAJ in Polish, but you know that Rzeczpospolita was not only modern Poland, right? And in Polish, kraj means country, not borderland.

Regarding other "points" -- I see you're only saying "I bet you know nothing" to me, what to argue here. But if you want to speak about how this started in 2014, -- I saw myself how it started in Crimea. The gangs of local thugs were gathering around the office of pro-russian deputee Kolesnichenko in Sevastopol every day throughout February 2014. This was the next building to the office where I worked back then. The cops who beat people in Kyiv during winter 2014, fled into Crimea, when it became clear there'll be consequences for them for what they did. There was Russian military base already, and they never reported to Ukraine on the number of troops located there (they had to, according to the agreement). And then in late February Russians took over Crimean parliament, and then all the local cops bravely took their side. That was it - enough to let Russian armed forces in. Later on, in March or April 2014, Girkin (Strelkov), the colonel of FSB of Russian Federation, with a gang of armed Russians, crossed the Ukrainian border and took the City of Slaviansk. A pro-Ukrainian deputee from Kramatorsk or Druzhkovka has been kidnapped and then found in Seversky Donets river with his throat cut. A 16 y.o. boy was killed by that people when traveling by train between Sloviansk and Kyiv, as far as I remember. These two were first victims AFAIR. Girkin, a Russian citizen, became so called minister of defense of "DNR". And Borodaj, a Russian citizen, became the "head" of that formation. They both lived in Moscow before and after these events. This is what everyone needs to know about DNR, in first place.

And then the people of that region voted over 90% to become part of the Russian federation. Basically Ukraine is a corrupt nation, that has squandered it's post Soviet opportunity since almost day one.

1) Yeah and Russia is a citadel of freedom and honesty. 2) What the fuck is "nation". How you define it. Ukraine has a corrupt state, that's true. Yet Russian Federation is even more corrupt, and far more evil. People don't want to change one prison for another one which they perceive as a worse one. Those who want to live in Russian Federation are free to do so. Instead, they want to force everyone around to live according to RF "law". To be clear, -- to me personally it's not about the land. But it's definitely about why these wonderful people, elected into Russian parliament from Chechnya and Buryatiya, and so on, would write "laws" that are going to be applied to me?

Cut down the hypocrisy then. When you say the United States should not help (“meddle”) - stop blutring out these ‘corrupt nation’ whatever arguments. Just admit you don’t care about some ex-soviet republik, or may even have resentiment towards its people, as @jackspirko seems to have. And that it’s too lucrative to deal with Russians to be at least neutral about their enemies.

"nation" is not a subject. it cannot be "corrupt". it does not have any particular characteristic. it's only a set of people having passport issued by the same state. once you start doing judgements on a "nation"(s) -- it's you who become a nazi.

And what I said is you chose to get in bed with the "West" which is not a "Nation" & IS currently the most corrupt entity as a whole. 😂 I'm from one of the little vassal states... Speaks volumes.

Who is your enemy? What do you think he/she/them/xi will do to you? Why does your enemy want to do these things to you? How will abandoning the US's alliance structure help you to stop/avoid them doing these things?

Let's make it simple shall we? Those who wherever you are treat the population just like livestock... If you are ready for that lesson, you'll know who & if you aren't, no amount of explanation will do it.