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 You know, the one thing I'm not totally sure about, nostr. I'm honestly not sure all data should be kept forever. I very seriously feel as though conversations and things should be ephemeral, even if they do last quite a while. The way I see it, people change over time and the fact that the internet judges people for somebody they used to be forever is somewhat wrong in my opinion. 
 Good point. But let's look the other way. It could also be used for good by allowing a person to see how they have changed over time. Definitely a double edged sword. 
 Well said. I also share this concern. People make mistakes; they grow and change. Having a proper delete function, or the option to make a post ephemeral as you suggested, makes sense to me.

I can only imagine what kind of hell most people would experience as adults if everything they said from birth on was on a permanent record.

IMO being anonymous should not be a requirement to use Nostr and avoid this risk.

Centralized or not, people often use privacy tech to get away from a permanent record.

Irreversable damage to one's personal or business reputation is not the only concern. People also sometimes accidentally doxx themselves and that can be a very real threat to their personal saftey.

The only "saving grace" so far has been the fact that Nostr relays tend to disappear over time, and many notes disappear with them. Many old notes have been lost as a result. 

That said, malicious relays are a thing and we can't depend on external factors like what someone decides to do or not do with their relay.

It is an interesting debate. 
 could you stop reposting yourself? it doesn't make sense 
 No. Not eveyone uses a client where comments are shown in the same feed as posts. Amethyst for example has two tabs. 
 I would like an option to have it all I'm the same feed 
 An option would be nice. 
 Still confused by freedom tech but locked in with everything you wrote or did, kind of feels like a different form of public shaming of sorts  
 Please try not to feel that ashamed. Imagine how you'd feel reading these words from a loved one after they're gone and you're going through old posts to remember them 🤙 
 That's a beautiful sentiment, I guess I'm curious about all the people who delete all the time now. I understand you have to be deliberate then with what you write. Is that a form of censorship?  
 I'd say it kinda is. It's like decentralized censorship if that makes sense. I think it's part of why it's so essential for humans to have others we can trust

Makes me think of the term "Overton window" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window 
 Interesting. I am going to think about this for a bit. Thank you for the link! 
 Once you write something down and send it to someone they can choose to keep it forever. There's no way to enforce ephemerality.

The proper solution to people holding you to something you may have said at some point during your growth that you no longer agree with is to tell them you've changed your mind. If they still try to hold you to it tell them to go fuck themselves. That's the only way.

If it's something you don't want anyone but the recipient to know, make sure you trust them to protect and/or destroy the message and use a secure channel. That's all you can do. 
 There's no way to keep secrets that works on this planet anymore.  They're reading your mind (right now). #SchrieverAFB  see e.g. targetedjustice.com (and if interested, download my .zip from here:  https://www.cipherassets.com/2022/11/operation-order-of-nine-angles-opo9a.html for more details than you would want to know (stay sane).  #NoPrivacyPlanet  Support the legal moves afoot in quite a number of places now (Chile & Colorado are the only two places so far we've succeeded in getting new human rights onto the statute book(s)). 
 planet = PLAN ET 
 glad you've been learning/paying attention clearly nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnj7qgmwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxzmnfd4jk7mtpddjjucm0d5hszxrhwden5te0dehhxarj9e582cndv94k2u3wd9hj7qg4waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcvpswqhx7un89uq3jamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdd6kuemxw5kkwtnjd9cz7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsqg96dnm3r7t6a6f6m3wks3mu3tx95pnmz527r6mpae8z65qqpu68zqnvzpwp  thanks! 
 glad you've been learning/paying attention clearly nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnj7qgmwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxzmnfd4jk7mtpddjjucm0d5hszxrhwden5te0dehhxarj9e582cndv94k2u3wd9hj7qg4waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcvpswqhx7un89uq3jamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdd6kuemxw5kkwtnjd9cz7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsqg96dnm3r7t6a6f6m3wks3mu3tx95pnmz527r6mpae8z65qqpu68zqnvzpwp  thanks! 
 Keep trying to follow you back nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnj7qgcwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxsatzd4skketj9e5k7tcpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumpsxpczummjvuhszxmhwden5te0dehhxarj9esku6tdv4hk6cttv5hxxmmd9uq3jamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdd6kuemxw5kkwtnjd9cz7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsqg96dnm3r7t6a6f6m3wks3mu3tx95pnmz527r6mpae8z65qqpu68zqkpje38  ... wasted an hour or more over days a week or two ago and noticed y/day ... they'd managed to boot me again without me noticing (so following u again ... trying). :) 
 oh wow, they make me feel important sometimes 
 The rest are #NPC  // gone / going #Wetware  nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnj7qgmwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxzmnfd4jk7mtpddjjucm0d5hszxrhwden5te0dehhxarj9e582cndv94k2u3wd9hj7qg4waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcvpswqhx7un89uq3jamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdd6kuemxw5kkwtnjd9cz7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsqg96dnm3r7t6a6f6m3wks3mu3tx95pnmz527r6mpae8z65qqpu68zqlphsup  Work of the WHY YOU #skill  #knowledge  #mindset  #etc  ... their #AIWarfare  identifies (projects in time FORWARDS) you have a likely UNIQUE contribution to play SOMEHOW .... https://image.nostr.build/322f7ff11c8482af7fbfe81d50e457a90469e580b8010bf84f39794ee743883e.jpg

Welcome to the complexities of what may (also be) #alienlevel  warfare.

(did you grab the cybertorture-defences.v.0.1.pdf from the .zip/PRINT IF POSSIBLE yet?) 
 ps read ALL this page, see 'Why am I targeted' (I put this page /  campaign together but for one main reason; to answer the cry of every TI ... 'why me'. (though read page in order, otherwise it makes little sense to you etc):

VIRAL our HUMAN Rights Campaign!
Freedom for Targeted Individuals
https://web.archive.org/web/20180813143020/http://www.occupythebanks.com/2017/08/free-resources-for-targeted-individuals.html

Targeted Individuals - Advanced

Introducing 'The Game'Why Am I Targeted; Answered!

Friday, 21 July 2017
WHY #TARGETEDINDIVIDUALS ARE TARGETED
https://web.archive.org/web/20180818041337/http://www.occupythebanks.com/2017/07/why-targetedindividuals-are-targeted.html

note: "Meet the concept of super-empowered individuals (SEI's):" and esp. the DEFINITION there = you (somehow); NOSTR may well be the NETWORK NEEDED (Finally; one that can stay UP!/accounts can't be seized/banned etc). fyi. ;) xx 
 Welcome to the #war  nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnj7qgmwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxzmnfd4jk7mtpddjjucm0d5hszxrhwden5te0dehhxarj9e582cndv94k2u3wd9hj7qg4waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcvpswqhx7un89uq3jamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdd6kuemxw5kkwtnjd9cz7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsqg96dnm3r7t6a6f6m3wks3mu3tx95pnmz527r6mpae8z65qqpu68zqlphsup 
 fyi I show following you now .... which likely = I've stayed subbed (no matter what you're seeing your end). ;) 
 I think they've quit on stopping us following each other. :) 
 Clients could add an expiration tag to notes. Maybe asking client devs to let you set a default expiration for all your notes would be a good thing.
 
 Thats a cool idea 💡 
 Personally, I would love that 
 We do.  
 When android?  
 @Fabian could you please add support for NIP-40 allowing users to set a default expiration for their notes? 
 @coachalex0  is a Bitcoin minner who is involved in Bitcoin mining so I decided to give a try tho I knew him in person, I invested $2,500 and guess what I earn $20,500 profit within 6hr of investing and made a successful withdrawal to my wallet 💯 legitimate I’ll advise y’all to give a try 
 Yes, that would be nice. But unenforceable in practice.

The best that we have is the company holding the data going down, or the random guy that made a copy forgetting to backup before a PC format. 
 Nos.social supports emphemeral posts. It only sends them to relays that support them. 

https://i.nostr.build/AkhmvBtbdK4AV7aT.jpg 
 This is probably cool for everyone who isn't me, but it reminds me of the terror of seeing someone pursuing self-erasure at too deep of a level based on insecurity and self-hate

I wish I could remember everyone I've ever talked to, without electronic assistance