Oddbean new post about login | logout Make bitcoiners anarchists again 😑
Neoliberals supporting and shilling anarchist tooling works. Let them embrace the trojan
Although yeah, social scene had taken a hit. Make a conference "Anarchist bitcoin"
Would love to see this happen again https://cryptoecon.org/
Bitcoin cannot and will not be anarchist without zerolink 🌀 period!
What is zerolink? 😁
https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/Whirlpool/blob/whirlpool/THEORY.md
Here's the original ZeroLink protocol specification link: https://github.com/nopara73/ZeroLink. Although it's been superseded by WabiSabi, it remains historically significant.
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That's just misleading propaganda. What I said is that your link to zerolink was wrong, just like that.
I wasn't even here till relatively recently and i feel this. To the govt: I didn't forget to ask for permission; i just didn't think i needed it. I didn't think to tell you who i am or who i associate with; why tf do you need to know that? I thought your money was trash, so i adopted bitcoin. Fuck you
The saddest part is I only see remnants of the cipher-punk anarchist spirit in the big-block forks.
Well, there is Bitcoiners and then there is Bitcoin holders who think of themselves as Bitcoiners.
This is my bitcoin. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My bitcoin is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my bitcoin is useless. Without my bitcoin, I am just another agent of the system. I must sign my txs true. I must hold on to my bitcoin with more determination than my enemies who want to liquidate my stack. I must crunch the btc supply before they dominate the utxo set. I will ...
Who Hurt You?
But Saylor said... But Trump said.... But ETF inflows! Ehm, I agree with you!
I put “collect all available early cypherpunk literature, and make it available in one place” on my todo list today.
T H I S
Start with yourself. Remove the legal restrictions from using your code, for example (code licenses are SO government) Until then, you're LARPing. You don't support anarchy. For the record, I'm not an anarchist, but I also don't pretend to be or ask others to be for cool points.
Anarchism would be free choice to handle your product how you please.
Anarchism doesn't allow for the organized defense of property rights by definition. Otherwise, you're right back at government. Using licenses and legal systems to protect products or property rights is a pretty shitty example of an anarchist. You don't even own products under anarchism for the aforementioned reasons. There's no real way to enforce such a concept as product ownership.
Any group can organize their own defense and any group has a right to define it’s size while any individual has a right to leave any group or start a new one
So a bunch of little governments everywhere. Lol That's even worse than what we have now. That can't work without an ultimate arbiter. You essentially end up with the warlords that result anytime anarchy actually occurs. There is no actual anarchy in the real world. Humans will always form governments because there will always be humans that don't play by the fantasy rules. Should government be extremely limited? Yes. But having none with this many people is just fucking retarded. We still have rape, murder and theft even with a government. That isn't going to magically go away by having a bunch of micro groups all over doing things their own way. And there will always be groups looking to grow and impose their ways.
The arbiter will be protocols, not coercion through violence. You don't need a violent monopoly to do enforcement of a protocol. Violent monopolies take over the things people were doing anyway, to give themselves legitimacy. People do the things they want, without coercion, even governing our society. Yes, people like and want governance. They don't want governments. Bitcoin has shown us how to develop a consensus and enforce it, without any empowered agency or government. We can see with languages, that we naturally participate and adapt to protocols, without a central arbiter of what is 'English', etc. The only functional difference between current forms of government will be the centralization of it. Instead of every government function being held by the same small group of powerful people, each protocol will run on the nodes or brains of people actually using it. There would be decentralized governance, divided among many protocols. I do agree, that we shouldn't tear down what we have. The protocols to replace them don't exist. We don't want chaos. We want anarchy. Anarchy is simply being free to try alternatives, and if they work, being free of the coercion of the existing government. That last part is the trick. How do we try things and keep them, if they work, when the existing governments claim that the only functional system must involve centralization of power in their hands? At that point, when we have our alternative, like Bitcoin, we must reject them and fight them. It is inevitable.
Protocols may enforce some rules across the internet, but try that theory out in some of the places in Africa where these silly ideals have played out in the physical world. Not everything in life happens behind a keyboard, nor can a digital protocol enforce all rights.
of course not, you still need to make yourself dangerous and costly to attack, the same way Bitcoin must do that. but that is also something individuals can do. It is only our modern world that would have you believe that it is natural for individuals to depend on others for such critical defense. A few individuals with nuclear weapons can keep even the greatest army in the world at bay. North Korea is no shining example of freedom for its citizens, but geopolitically, it is the most free nation on earth. It can hack, steal, launder, and organize itself and its society as its leaders see fit. It can do anything it wants because its too costly to attack. Bitcoin does that. You can do that, too. Many insurgents around the world do this quite easily, and they prove very difficult to destroy. Being free is uncomfortable, but it is possible. Will the masses choose this? Never. But that is only to say that most people don't want freedom, most people want safe slavery. What do you want?
Matt, you need a dictionary. Protocol refers to a ruleset that can exist in physical or digital space. Word protocol is used in army, medicine, etc.
You need one. How exactly do you think rules are enforced in the real world? You can dance around it all you want, but there is no protocol or rule without an enforcement mechanism. That's what anarchy is. Rules and protocols are order. Anarchy is the absence of order. This really isn't complicated. https://m.primal.net/KDHG.png
Yes, Africa, you might be surprised. Search up "Better Off Stateless" for how one traditional Afro-Anarchism society works. Spoiler: badly, but better than all its Statist neighbors and with hard numbers to prove it.
A thing being better than something else doesn't make it good or just. I have no doubt that the surrounding states are awful, but that doesn't mean that anarchy is good. That's a fallacy. I would agree that a state should be minimal and unintrusive (prevent men from using force against one another, or provide mediation before or after they do). But that doesn't mean that having no state is somehow better. That's a false dichotomy. It's entirely possible to have a moral state. I define that as a state that exists only to defend my property rights. That to me is far better and more realistic than just having everyone do whatever the duck they want simply because they have the bigger gun.
You're not describing a State, you're describing a culture. One that respects the property rights of others. The protocol to enforce this requires neighbors and militia, self interested in mutual protection. A State can enforce this protocol, draft its citizens, tax and spend, but it doesn't have exclusive ability to accomplish this. We do all want such a community to exist within, but assuming a State as the only technological means of collective organization assumes there must be something, ie the State, ABOVE the individuals. This permits it to prioritize itself. It's existence must be, before peace can be. This is not so. This prioritizes the State over the people and the individuals. This inevitably corrupts every state, everywhere. The argument, as I read it, is this. 'State' as a word, as a concept, is dated. It assumes itself, technologically, in order to organize people into peaceful coexistence. That is a lie. We organized before we made a State. The State is a technology, nothing more. It was the best we had and so it has been seared into our minds as foundational. It is not. The Nations of peoples, our tribal allegiances, and our mutual interests are foundational. The State is just tech we use and it does so much harm with this idea that it must always be, that we solved this problem 500 years ago with modern nation states and to ever be without an authority over us, is impossible. We must strive to be Nations, not States. People before and above any organizational principle or protocol, adopted with Consensus, with liberty to divide, to fork off, to be free of capture and enslavement to a secular majority or oligarchy of the State.
#muhwarlords https://m.primal.net/KDoh.jpg
I think we'd actually have much larger amounts of rape, murder, war, and theft without broad governments like we have now.
I still just assume we all are lol. It makes for interesting conversations.
Maybe because those bitcoiners are on #monero nowdays..
few.
Monero remains Anarchist ✌️ https://image.nostr.build/4153833be8e6b0e945da546a62a37a46acad821501363cc4b8be78dfdfc93e77.jpg nostr:nevent1qqs9t2s978wcm0gdmxg7adauaksnqkrfm5erjhk9gxggj9nj23zg6jqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsw3znfr6vdnxrujezjrhlkqqjlvpcqx79ys7gcph9mkjjsy7zsgygrqsqqqqqpcqwptx
stop larping, get a #bitaxe https://m.primal.net/JuuM.png
Well, some of them don't have phones and don't use internet, I would say. But I see a lot of people at Nostr that feel like one. 🖖
Yes, bit in myopinionn every true bitcoiner has to run a full node! How many of the so called bitcoiner is doing so????
I believed after this moon shot, many will do it, including myself.
Are you saying we shouldn't pay taxes?
Why fynd tyrannical governments?
So they don't throw us in a cage.
Every democratic system gives you the freedom or option to become sovereign. If not giving this freedom to build own tribe or sovereign state/city then it's not a democracy. It's a kingdom ruled by lords and politicians (puppets), ie. King is hidden, so no one can overthrow him or them.
There’s a general trajectory I’m noticing… First, it’s “WOW, Number go up!” Then it’s “look at this shitcoin” Then it all comes crashing down and the ambitious ones get cleaned out… The others learn in the coming cycle(s) and begin onboarding frens, these individuals grow and become more in tune with privacy and libertarian values. (i am here) Then we become reclusive privacy junkies who distrust everything and everyone 😅
so little piracy, I expected I'd finally be able to download a car in 2024 :(
Year 2024. expectation: we will download flying cars. reality: nostr:nprofile1qqsw3znfr6vdnxrujezjrhlkqqjlvpcqx79ys7gcph9mkjjsy7zsgygpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz8thwden5te0dehhxarj9ekh2arfdeuhwctvd3jhgtnrdakj7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshspg7dju shilling mac os.
Mac OS is great, what's your concern?
too dependent on apple, they can literally put whetever they want in the next update. They did it in the past with some controversial updates and every now and then they threat users to limit the possibility to "install software from third party". This is not so cypherpunk. And I didnt even touch the approach on closing hardware (no, limit the possibility to add ram dont bring any security gain..)
Are you suggesting some people have stopped being anarchists? That's the only way the number would go down. Otherwise it's just more people adopting bitcoin. Not a bad thing. Or are you just trying to be a gatekeeper?
Post something like this and the shitcoin cockroaches will crawl out from their holes to shill their trash.
Instead of blaming other people, maybe reflect on why bitcoin has lost the libertarian spirit
but not the libertarian/capitalist kind, please and thank you. nostr:note12k4qtuwa3k7smkv3a6mmemdpxpvxnhfj890v2svs3yt8y4zy34yqhgl70p
To me, it always sounds like these ogs played both sides, so stop telling the government to join us nostr:nevent1qqs9t2s978wcm0gdmxg7adauaksnqkrfm5erjhk9gxggj9nj23zg6jqpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsw3znfr6vdnxrujezjrhlkqqjlvpcqx79ys7gcph9mkjjsy7zsgygrqsqqqqqpg46jfh
MBAAaaa? Sheeeeep!
Amen.
THE REAL ONES ARE ON NOSTR. nostr:note12k4qtuwa3k7smkv3a6mmemdpxpvxnhfj890v2svs3yt8y4zy34yqhgl70p
there are no real anarchists tho...
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tbh its pretty difficult to believe anyone INSIDE the visible bitcoin space is an anarchist #makebitcoinscaryagain #FreeSamourai
Bitcoin is a pure embodiment of "rules without rulers". TBH its pretty difficult to believe anyone inside the visible Bitcoin space isn't an Anarchist. I always assume that person has misunderstood either one or the other.
Not being on xitter, I missed this. Very funny.
Too late for that
Statist Bitcoiners are still in fiat mindset. Free your minds. Fiat has you, follow Bitcoin. nostr:note12k4qtuwa3k7smkv3a6mmemdpxpvxnhfj890v2svs3yt8y4zy34yqhgl70p
is anarchy better? 🤔
I remember as a kid when I discovered “The Anarchist Cookbook”. Discovering Bitcoin many years later felt similar. The undertone was “empowered”.
no thanks. anarchy is cool if you are 13 and hoodwinked by the fundamentally flawed individualism/humanism satanogrift.
Keep reading.
keep dreaming and barking up the wrong tree and wake up under Sharia. thats where yer going.
Just tell me who I have to vote for to protect me from Sharia.
coupla generations, three "philosophies", and 50 million abortions late for that. all i can tell you is that its coming demographically and these delusions of anarchy and libertarianism are late-stage affluent fantasy that dont stand a fucking chance. what can i say - europa abandoned her traditions, ancestors, women and children for cuckbucks... now, what is written about the consequences to such scum is coming to pass... i.e. invasion and utter conquest by foreigners. #bible
And that's anarchism's fault how?
i said nothing of the sort. ESL tard or summ'n'?
Jesus was an Anarchist
why so early in the morning does it have to be... https://image.nostr.build/a6b28d6802204872ce311815f976751f23312a9131b82be44141534bde167c81.gif
Yes, but 🧡 💜 https://image.nostr.build/6ad2217bd8adf3b67411507025b449741d7be52ed241a9be2af0de4255007a81.jpg nostr:nevent1qqs9t2s978wcm0gdmxg7adauaksnqkrfm5erjhk9gxggj9nj23zg6jqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsw3znfr6vdnxrujezjrhlkqqjlvpcqx79ys7gcph9mkjjsy7zsgygrqsqqqqqpcqwptx
