it's incredible they don't consider the idea that there doesn't need to be a global 

 Well, have you forgotten how many people muted me, for wanting custom relays? Remember the whole censorship debate and the dickpick episode? 

 i don't remember the dickpic episode but i certainly bumped into some nonsense once or twice

anyway, yeah, it's just becoming normal now, and clients have caches of all the relays and add any new ones you add to it, it seems, even when you log out and remove its data

i mean, my relay now even lets me automatically control who can post to my relay and because of nip-65, i am actually getting people posting their events to my relay who are on my follow list 

 Well, I guess nobody was sending you dickpicks. 😂


It's amazing how peacefull and family-friendly Nostr is, now. It used to sometimes feel like a warzone because of the lack of customizable relays and outboxes. Everyone was on lol and band, so perverts and scammers and spammers could just hit everyone, with one fell swoop. Now, they have to cross a bunch of gates and hunt us all, individually, and that effectively shuts most of them down, by increasing the effort. 

 It has been a long while since I've stumbled accross any unsolicited porn on here... and for that I am incredibly grateful 🌞 

 I burned a lot of social capital, nagging the devs to help me avoid penis, but it was worth it. 😂 

 Your services have been noted and I am very grateful! 😅 

 my first nostr gig was helping build sprockets for access control with strfry for cloudfodder

it was and always has been the axe i've been grinding the whole of this year... wen auth... etc 

 nostr:nprofile1qqs8eseg5zxak2hal8umuaa7laxgxjyll9uhyxp86c522shn9gj8crspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgjwaehxw309ahx7um5wgerztnrdakj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctc58hv2s is the Layer 2 relay 🐐 

 yeah, the problem is, just like blockchains with their terabytes of chain data (eg ethereum, steem, etc) that the entire proposition of it being decentralised REQUIRES that you don't make the cost of running a replica of the database beyond AT LEAST middle class budgets, if such a thing even exists anymore

hence most shitcoin nodes are giant fucking 128 core EPYC racks that burn 10kW of power and have half a terabyte of memory and RAID5 with 32 parallel NVMe drives that cost in the order of $250k

and if you actually do the analysis on the data that people want to see in their feeds... about 1% of users content needs to be delivered everywhere, and the rest can be sharded or cached on demand on much smaller nodes

there hasn't been much work on actually making this work for nostr, i personally have been doing some work to make shared large data stores possible, and i have visions of in the future adding the ability to fan out the data store to networks of Blossom nodes so relays only keep the events their users are using and prune off old stuff and when old stuff or stuff not yet known is requested, the requests can cascade until the index is found and returned and cached and the relay itself becomes a node in a bigger cluster that can dynamically deliver content without any hand holding or fancy consensus logic

censorship resistance doesn't matter... until you get censored

and that means you are a content creator, the actual source of value of the network, even if you aren't popular

i literally can't even make one post on any other social media these days because they already have profiled me and i'm pre-censored, have been for over a decade

so, fine for you, mister audience member, but you wouldn't even see my work if it wasn't for nostr's censorship resistance, so, yeah, this entire conversation right now depends on this, so how's them apples? 

 Well yeah, but on the other hand nostr's current censorship resistance, in my opinion, is due in very large part to it being off the radar, small—and not the architecture. I get the whack-a-mole argument, but I feel people are greatly exaggerating the difficulty of playing whack-a-mole in this day and age. Any government, sufficiently motivated and resourced, could make it the protocol so painful to make practical use of that, while it would still hobble along for the die-hards, the nostr vision as it stands now would be dead. (In other words it'd be a heck of a lot easier to cripple nostr than people are assuming.)  Rather than censorship resistance I see the real value of nostr being in portability, though for very specific use cases that are not affected by nostr's limitations.  

 nostr:nprofile1qqs8qy3p9qnnhhq847d7wujl5hztcr7pg6rxhmpc63pkphztcmxp3wgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgmwaehxw309a6xsetxdaex2um59ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hsz9nhwden5te0dehhxarjv4kxjar9wvhx7un89uqaujaz I guess the challenge is to allow/disallow outboxing, on an npub level. 

 I fail to see how outbox forces users to publish to unknown relays.  The whole point is that clients that want to see your notes go to the relays that you publish on, isn't it? 

 Oh, right. 😂 Confused it with AUTH. 

 I don't quite get the Type A/B scenario. 

 Hey, I think you have client outbox confused with relay AUTH. 

 I know, right? I'm legit collecting relays all over out devices and remote servers. Feels like shoe shopping.

Relay for every mood. 

 Yes, but it will be distributed very thinly and mostly be consuming currently idle resources. Also, each relay is it's own separate, slightly-overlapping dataset. No relay needs to contain lots of events. There's actually no point to that, once you have outboxes, communities, performant search, and deep-discovery.

Centralized relays is old tech, basically. 

 working on last 2 t-y!     L2L 

 Yes, famous Nostr #typo. 😂 

 Context: I've setup a different mix of popular relays on each to try and simulate the experience of a group of users. But also each client does filtering too, so that adds another "can't be sure" layer.  

 doesn’t matter what client 
what matters is this protocol is anti-censorship

this must not happen. period
 

 let's attack the issue together 

 It's very likely to be the client that's doing this. Which one are you using? 

 all of them 

 What's the one in the video? 

 I'm with her that this seems like an irrelevant sidetracking question but I'm curious if you can explain more

Is there a reason the client in the video would be the one causing the issue, where you know what that reason is even though you don't know what client it is and she said it happens in all? 

 So then the client's dev could be contacted....

There's no nostr protocol mass mute functionality. So, this is localized. 

 That didn't exactly address what I said.

I would think what the video shows is that this client displays the problem in an easy way to show on screen, not that it's the client causing the problem.

I'm curious what client it is too, but I'm a bit confused by the whole conversation above 

 nostr:note138emjv2825w3pam4dupphpmxhq4lmnqeqt0u0te0jyvx2a39q7lqtw4xcm 

 issue: CENSORSHIP 

 nostr:note14d2a4mnefdxexr08dazyj2l4w0lnwuz034yg559mj0sjpnm6w9ns0l4wgz 

 Are you on drugs or drunk? lol... There's no collective censorship possible unless some how every single relay operator colluded together, which is certainly an improbability as it is an impossibility. Therefore, it must be your client. But you refuse to answer basic questions I ask in order to help, such as what client you're using in the video. You say "all" but I know that's far from true. I'm using quite a few different clients and I don't see mass muted notes. 

 anything helpful to add? 

 c'mon boy. all localized in same place 

 Claiming mass censorship without any details but a video that’s not saying much.

 

 same issue in all the clients

we need to come together
this is a protocol for the internet

do you under-stand?