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 No you understand the technical component. Not how network effects actually work 
 I understand network effects man. Why Meta, Apple, Google, Microsoft have the upper hand. The network effect is massive to overcome. My argument is nostr does not need marketing to overcome them. All it needs is time. Same as BTC. The network effect of the dollar is the absolute biggest one on the planet. Just like nostr, Bitcoin will not overcome it's network effect for potentially decades.  
 Yup. Nostr and Bitcoin are singularities with large pull, because on open networks your competition is helping you grow rather than stealing energy from you like a zerosum system.

Nostr and Bitcoin are positive sum 
 Bitcoin has the luxury of time far more than Nostr does.

Why?

Because fiat money is actively collapsing. The need for bitcoin is stronger, and while it’s a more significant change (money is the base language) it’s got time on its side.

Nostr on the hand, if it doesn’t achieve some sort of escape velocity in the next 2-5yrs, is going to be relegated to the fringe because centralised providers are “good enough” for most people, and/or other networks will emerge (see the work TBD is doing for DIDs, and there’s much more).

The mistake is to think their paths are equivalent. They’re not. Bitcoin has a century to win. Nostr…a decade or two. Or somewhere thereabouts. 
 🤝 Well I'm building a relay to help nostr flourish. Thank you for entertaining our conversation and your insightful replies. We're in this together even if we may disagree on some things.  
 Let me ask you this. If Bitcoin had no marketing at all, would it have failed? 

The answer is no. You are free to disagree.  
 Yes it would’ve, because nobody would’ve know about it.

Had Silk Road and Wikileaks not existed, or Roger Ver, Voorhees or Antonopolous to evangelise in the early days - bitcoin would’ve disappeared.

The very fact that businesses sprouted up, people discussed it, and entire communities of evangelists emerged is what got bitcoin the attention it needed to develop economic mass.

There’s no way around effective marketing and messaging. 
 You still can't buy anything other than fiat. 
 That’s not entirely true. But it is mostly true 
 Those tools existed because there was an organic demand. Silk road didn't market Bitcoin. Bitcoin fulfilled a market need. 

The people you listed were all altruistic and not really marketing. More like deciples. Too bad some of them fell off the deep end. 
 I was going to buy your book through geyser btw. I probably still will. I found geyser through nostr. Ya know ... Network effects and all... Marketing can help. I'm not "against" marketing nostr. I simply argue it will not be the differentiating factor in nostrs success.  
 I appreciate the comment about the book. And I promise it will be the best Sats you’ve ever spent.

I’m also glad you’re not against marketing. But my position is that, for every 10,000 we’ll build software products, only a couple really achieve scale - and that’s due to (in some cases luck, but) superior go to market.

Cold card is case in point. It’s far superior to Ledger. But ledger outsells it 500:1

Now..this is fine for a general product like that. But network live and die by the density.

It’s very easy to lose network density and to get anti-network effects if messaging and go to market unclear.

We can have the best product/protocol, but if people don’t know where it “lives” in their minds, it’s all for naught.

I recommend Andrew Chen’s work on Network effects btw. His book “the cold start problem” is absolutely fantastic 
 Thank you for the recommendation. I will definitely read it.