Well, the only real jeans are Wrangler...IYKYK 

 Why does 0xchat use Google Play Services?

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 Thanks  @Derek Ross --

 @water783 - would love to start looking at 0xchat, but I will not load apps that rely on Google Play Services. Is it possible to remove that dependency, and allow those of us using #GrapheneOS (and other de-googled phones) to avoid the privacy risks and compromises that come with GPS?

Thanks! 

 Ah...so it doesn't require GPS (and will run without it)...thanks.

Downloading the APK from GitHub via #Obtanium will work for me.

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 Well, I don't have Google Play Services installed, and it seems to run fine so far...

And thanks  @water783 - you also turned me on to #Amber to help broker private keys 😃  

 Hearing a banjo rip through Orange Blossom Special... 

 We can always stay ahead of quantum computing by upping the encryption standards and complexity. (i.e., Have faith that our "geeks" will be able to outwit any potential governmental threat to privacy)

The issue really is whether the government will outlaw such standards...(and even more interesting will be how they might try to enforce such a ban).

The ONLY reason for a government to be anti-encryption is because they are totalitarian. (Don't be fooled by the "well terrorists use it" argument). 

 So they're inefficient and poor stewards of the taxes they already collect, but if they get more taxes they'll do better and be more efficient....

Sure...that makes total sense... 

 Wonderful advice... 

 Hmmm...interesting...

Right now, I'm running a passthrough to an #OPNSense router and using  #OpenWRT for APs...but if you can't turn off the ISPs AP that's a problem...

I can see the wanting to mesh to enhance their services--see Amazon Sidewalk https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?ie=UTF8&node=21328123011

Segmenting your internal network will help, but I agree--I don't like them "providing" an AP that's always on / not configurable.

#privacy 

 Yeah, that's pretty concerning. Wonder if you could ground out the antenna somehow (although that might risk frying something).

Is there any alternative? BYOD? 

 Yeesh...is that your shop with all those printers? Wow... 

 Ahh...ok...still, even a small shop with 4 is impressive (just getting started with 3D, so only have one 😃 ) 

 The biggest "easy win" for privacy is to avoid associating you identity with your IMSI and IMEI (e.g., but not signing into Google on your phone). 

There are so many "easy" thing that help with privacy that you can do, and you can then ramp up additional items as you go.

And (or course) using Graphene... 

 LOL 

 Wow, that's an amazing video! 

 Trump isn't a politician...

It's not been his lifelong career, working his way up the system and becoming indebted to every donor along the way.

He's a disruptor... 

 Politicians have to "work their way up" the system to progress. You have look the other way at indiscretions, and you end up taking money along the way to support your campaigns, and become part of the system. (Yes, I've seen this firsthand).

Trump came into the system without any of that baggage--he never "owed" anyone anything, and consequently he couldn't be "bought".

And that's why he's so villified by career politicians.... 

 Inflation 

 It's all about the team that you put together...companies succeed because of a CEO's skill in identifying  and surrounding himself with exceptional talent. 

 Usury...especially governmental usruy. 

 ?? 

Not sure how anyone can be so indifferent, and to waste your freedom so flippantly.

You should be ashamed... 

 Doesn't really matter to me who you'd pick...so long as you don't waste your vote... 

 Dang...I have to learn more about this... 

 Gotta love services like this--switching to #GrapheneOS is incredibly simple, yet for some it's just easier and less stress to have someone else facilitate the process.

Glad there are folks out there like  @SimplifiedPrivacy.com Podcast to help those who simply are uncomfortable flashing their phone.

There's really no excuse not to run a de-Googled phone... 

 Not sure what it is you're looking to do? 

A de-Googled phone running #GrapheneOS essentially takes you out of Google's data collection.

The tricky part is to maintain confidentiality of your IMSI and IMEI...not sure how those are managed with a Tracfone, but both are mandatory, so both are present even with a Tracfone.

If you get a SIM from a Tracfone, would you be able to either transfer that SIM to your Graphene phone? Or if offered by Tracfone, could you obtain a virtual SIM? 

 Many have eSIM...but not all. There are pros and cons to each. The question here is that to obtain a SIM from a carrier will you have to go through KYC? I believe the answer is yes, but I frankly don't know for sure...

The SIM (and the IMSI) identify the user of the phone (i.e. your phone call and text destination). Assuming that a "burner" phone has a SIM that is not attached to your identiry? If so, then a phone with a non-KYC SIM running #grapheneOS would seem to be an optimal combination.

But (for most?) that would entail getting a new phone number (and I think that's likely unpalatable for many). 

#asknostr 

 Pixel hardware has the best security infrastructure (which is why it the preferred choice for Graphene). I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a Pixel over any other phone currently in the marketplace.

My objective is privacy...and for that, there is no better choice than Pixel and #GrapheneOS

(You really should try it--there will be some great deals on Google phones on Black Friday - expecting a nice deal on Pixel 8s and any 7s they still have in stock. I may upgrade my wife's phone at that time...) 

 Hmmm...all phones kind of look the same to me, and I always have a case on, so...

One thing I don't like about the Pixel is the on/off and the volume buttons are too close together, and (especially with the case I have) I often turn the phone off by mistake.

And I really don't like the virtual keyboard that comes with #GrapheneOS (although I understand they're working on that).

And yet, I've owned iPhones as well as stock Android phones in the past, and I have to say I've been most happy with Graphene.

One of the biggest plusses is battery life--without all the "bloatware" and spyware from carriers and from Google / Facebook / etc. that are "loaded at startup" and always on, I find I really never have to charge my phone during the day. It's been a revelation...

Just sharing my experience (good and bad)... 

 Hmmm...don't expect it'd be an issue. The carrier's service is tied to the SIM card...looking at their website, they support Google Pixel and GSM, CDMA, 4G LTE, and 5G.

They check compatibilty via the IMEI, so that's based on the Pixel hardware (not software). You should be all set. 😃  

 Well, if you don't like Graphene you can always just download the Google image and reload that...back to a normal Pixel...(or Tracfone). 

 Well, Pixels have both eSIM and a traditional SIM slot--you can run either (or both simultaneously if you want 2 lines on the same phone). 😃  

 Unfortunately, I believe very little of this is true...

Printing money will never stop
Debit will continue to rise
Public sector jobs will soon be the *only* jobs available
Elections will continue to be corrupt
Censorship is on the rise (enhanced by AI)


 

 And remember, the birds and other critters don't use daylight savings time...so even though you "got up early" you're right in sync with the rest of the animal kingdom! 😃  

 Beautiful... 

 Couldn't agree less...it's not the presidency, it's politicians period.

The US president is a figurehead--the government is run by an illegal cabal (well, except for Trump as he's an outsider and doesn't listent to the cabal, which is why he's such a threat)

But the presidency (usually) doesn't matter at all...government itself is the problem.

"Once you realize that politicians are not altruistic, and that they're in politics for themselves and their own personal gain, then everything makes sense." 

 Yes--and yet I do think a focus on the Presidency is deflecting focus from the core issue... 

 Boy I hate to see that...having your own business is really one of the best ways to achieve success. 

I'd normally say "move to the US" but given our current government, I'm not sure that's really an answer--we're headed down the same road.

Maybe another country? El Salvador? 

Seriously--time to get out...no country is worth losing your spirit of ambition and achievement... 

 Well, I'd consider doing it legally...(which can be a pain)...if you're here illegally you'll likely run into trouble trying to start your own business...(if you want to work as an unskilled laborer under the table you'll probably be fine, but I suspect that's not your plan 😃 ) 

 If you can see through it, it's not really beer... 

 Once you realize that politicians are not altruistic, and that they're in politics for themselves and their own personal gain, then everything makes sense. 

 3D printing site...

https://www.thingiverse.com/ 

 Maybe...was thinking of blender myself as an option... 

 Thanks - those are cool...what I'd also like to see is a 3D nostrich (like a real bird) - that would be cool...but thanks! This helps! 

 Welcome to Nostr! 

 LOL 

 Stay true to yourself. 

Trying to be something you're not will only lead to unhappiness (and will be readily sensed by others). It's a "lose lose" strategy. 

 Oh completly drives me nuts. 

I have multiple VPNs available, and sometimes one will get blocked, but another will be ok...but yes, this is very much a trend (and a bad trend IMHO).

Agree iwth  @Agoristo⚡️ but I also think we need to let banks and websites know they're losing customers because of this.

(I also complain when they don't enable the use of hardware keys (e.g., YubiKey) but that's another issue).

(And I also complain when they use PLAID as a third party authenticator, but that's also another issue).

We have to be vocal about privacy. 

 Hmmm...have thought about doing this...will be interested to follow your progress... 

 Well, can't really blame them for a compromised library--but certainly was unnerving. Seems to be fixed today.

Best mitigation for this type of attack is:
a) browser isolation
b) hardware (computer) isolation

Never felt at risk, but certainly not good optics for  @primal 

 Oh--and thanks for following up with the cause--hadn't seen this elsewhere.

Much appreciated. 

 Welcome! 

 Oh--thanks for sharing this...need to learn more about relays! 

 So used to run Moto...bought it because it had a removable battery (and I got tired of buying a phone because the battery died). Still have it (and using it for a few dedicated apps).

Of course that was all before I became a #GrapheneOS convert...