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  @merryoscar (founder of  @fountain_app) is live with an AMA on  @SN now!

https://stacker.news/items/723361

Oscar is one of my favorite builders/thinkers. I'm sure this will be excellent! 
 Starting to play around with NOSTR. Better late than never 😅

Definitely need to integrate OSM... 
 Yes! @stemstr for everything 
(Eg see https://pkgzap.albylabs.com from @Alby)

I’m looking to support projects that make it easy to create, discover, remix, and share all forms of media (software, agents, music, art). I’m especially interested in hooking these systems up with open source agents and DVMs as well (ideally with python tooling). Hmu if you’re working on anything in this realm

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 I've been experimenting with fresh green juices the last couple days (spinach, celery, cucumber, lemon, ginger). Holy shit do I feel energized!! Like I feel amped beyond belief. 

I'm wondering if I've been missing some crucial micronutrient before these juices. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any best guess at which nutrient might be doing the trick?  
 yea electrolytes make a lot of sense especially given how hot (dehydrating) it's been lately 
 Almost nothing processed. But probably not enough veggies. General diet is lots of eggs, salmon, sardines, brown rice, and popcorn on stove. Cooked green beans, onions, bell peppers, and broccoli a few times as week as well. Occasional salads and (no added sugar) acai bowls. Lots of olive oil. Japanese green teas in the morning. Buckwheat tea at night. And that's about it haha  
 And I started taking daily magnesium supplements about 2 years ago and that's changed my life. I sleep much much better.  
 haha get ready dude ;)  
 [New Podcast] Ideas From the Edge: High Strangeness, Memetics, & the Open Source Insurgency w/ Jack Heart

https://fountain.fm/episode/Yq7TAbg6t2BLvdCqGLyM

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/high-strangeness-memetics-and-the-open-source-insurgency/id1731637285?i=1000672400114

https://hivemindvc.substack.com/p/high-strangeness-gnosticism-memetics

This was a fun one! In most recent episodes, I’ve had conversations with builders from the Nostr/Bitcoin community about other rabbit holes they’re interested in. In today’s episode, I sat down with Jack Heart, a longtime blogger and veteran of high strangeness and esoteric rabbit holes galore.

Although we focus primarily on themes from Jack’s blog and recent book, we do spend some time discussing the principles of Nostr and how they align with Jack’s view of building an open source insurgency. I’m hoping to do more conversations with thinkers like Jack from communities philosophically adjacent to Nostr.

You can learn more about Jack’s work on his blog, Tekgnostics, and in his new book, Brave Noo World: A Guerrilla Ethnography of High Strangeness.

Here are some of the other topics we cover:
- High strangeness and the acceleration of technology, society, and novelty
- Tekgnostics - a balance of artifact and epiphany
- J. Allen Hynek - coined the term high strangeness
- The origin of "Foo Fighters" - UFOs
- Cosmic triggers - the atomic bomb - UFO craze after the war - term - UFO coined after lights over Mt. Ranier
- 2012 as omega point for Terence McKenna and the Mayans
- High strangeness going mainstream as dominant paradigm: politicians calling each other weird
- Synchronicity as meaningful coincidence
- Vernor Vinge’s singularity and the end of the human era
- Humor as the highest and most human form of intelligence and the great weapon against bureaucracy
- Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and the Noosphere as the omega point of human thought and the next layer of biosphere
- Humans will ultimately be all right because of our creativity
- Humans are tool and model builders
- Early internet was the first model of the hivemind 
- Nostr and gnostic — a happy synchronicity ;)
- Digital evolution and DNA
- Philip K Dick’s view of DNA as a binary system of memory coils which gnosis allows us to read
- The workaround - humans’ core ability to adapt to whatever circumstances
- Jung and the ability to catch ideas from the noosphere
- The Buddha is in the Park
- Discordianism: seriousness vs humor - don’t take the world too seriously
- Humor is the highest form of intelligence; perhaps AI will struggle to mimic or understand humor
- “When I dress like a clown, the cops won’t hit me”
- The clown and jester archetype; the fool and the trickster (Prometheus , Krishna?)
- Meme magic and memetics as mind virus
- Memes are a big reason Trump won in 2016 (Pepe the frog)
- The open source / decentralized insurgency
- The ebb and flow of everything
- Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary, chakras, and the 8 brain model of psychology
- Crowdfunding a billboard for Brazil all over nostr
- Nostr as the open source / decentralized  insurgency against bureaucracy
- PKD and blows against the empire
- Bureaucracy lacks a sense of humor
- Gnosticism as the mystic arm of Christianity
- The great Yin/Yang, masculine/feminine, binary dichotomy of the universe
- Why something instead of nothing (manifest vs. unmanifest)?
- The mythology of Ancient Civilizations - civilizations rise and fall all the time
- Creating substrates for data redundancy and preventing human amnesia (Nostr/Project Alexandria)
 
 Full discussion on Stacker News: https://stacker.news/items/716343 
 O shit!  @NVK Now THIS is the content I want on Nostr!

#saunamaximalist 

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 Every jam session is better with the bay + sauna!

We just need to get mics in there that can handle the heat haha 
 Zapping repos with split payments will be a game changer for software development. I'd love to see someone run with this incredible concept from  @Alby 🐝 ⚡ 

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 Actually this model will be huge for all kinds of creative development.  @stemstr for everything 😉 

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 Nostr vs. Bitcoin Github star history

https://m.primal.net/LNIj.png 

Is this a fair comparison? What causes the next vertical phase? BTC bull market? Current apps get better? New apps/use cases emerge? 

cc  @miljan  @PABLOF7z  @dk  @brugeman  @merryoscar  @melvincarvalho  @jb55  @bumi  @Ben Arc  @Martti Malmi  @Vitor Pamplona  @Stuart Bowman  @gsovereignty

 
 I’m definitely excited to see @TIDAL and @CashApp up the ante for sure. And I’m impressed by what the next version of @primal is looking like. I’m also really excited by the music/podcast discovery on @fountain_app with their new nostr integration. And I assume next tweetdeck style drop from @jb55 will be 🔥

I haven’t played with @Ditto yet. What excites you about it? And what sort of AI app do you think would be most interesting on nostr? 
 Cool! I'll play with it. 

I'm with you on agents communicating over nostr. openagents.com and fewsats.com are the best examples of this vision I've seen so far. cc  @Christopher David

I guess DVMs as well, though I've yet to find a user friendly way to interact with these - what's the best DVM client right now? cc  @Dustin  @PABLOF7z 
 Based on feedback from  @melvincarvalho, perhaps this chart is more interesting: 

https://m.primal.net/LNLv.png 

(note I ran out of free lines so activitypub/mastodon is missing, but it surprisingly only had 1.2k stars) 
 See this discussion on  @SN as well: https://stacker.news/items/712731 
 aww that makes more sense  
 Makes sense! Python DVM library seems like a game changer 
 Who's cookin up beats like this???

https://x.com/scubaryan_/status/1841214469008949656 
 Check it on  @fountain_app! They have a tab just for music shares via  @TIDAL or  @wavlake 
 The nostr powered music and podcast feeds on  @fountain_app are the coolest things on nostr right now! 

And it's only getting better as people share more tracks from  @TIDAL &  @wavlake

Can't wait til I can set up a dj/radio station and stream for sats (with splits to the artsits). I see  @TIDAL already has "artist radio" - just one step away ;) 

cc  @stefanmoro  @miles  @ltngstore  @merryoscar

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 Check it on  @fountain_app! They have a tab just for music shares via  @TIDAL or  @wavlake 
 Right!? 
 #FollowFriday: interesting Nostr users that are NOT posting about Nostr and Bitcoin. :)
Diversify... 
 This is great! I would love to see more AI, energy, and art/music content on Nostr 

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Glad to see that  @mbarulli is spreading the good word on Reddit as well! 

https://www.reddit.com/r/nostr/comments/1fxg9yo/interesting_accounts_that_are_not_posting_about/ 
 
[New Podcast]  Anarchism, The Origins of #Nostr, & The Future of FOSS w/  @Ben Arc


https://m.primal.net/LAmF.png 

https://fountain.fm/episode/GwkMHQvCQCFjmLdqbCeT

I sit down with LNbits founder Ben Arc for a wide ranging and fascinating conversation about political philosophy, Nostr, and the future of FOSS/AI. This was a treat to record and I hope you enjoy! Here's a full sample of what we discussed: 

- Ben’s left libertarian / anarchist lens on Bitcoin - the ultimate goal is liberty 
- Stateless socialism, Marx, and Adam Smith 
- Open protocols like Bitcoin / Nostr  and public key cryptography replacing functions of the state
- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon: “Property is theft, property is liberty”
- Soulful vs. soul-less capital 
- “The Adam Smith Invisible Bitch Slap” - Ben’s synthesis of left anarchism and Austrian/ancap thought. Open protocols, public key cryptography, FOSS create new more efficient commons in which private capital can participate. But if capital tries to co-opt the commons, it gets the Adam Smith invisible hand bitch slap (see the big blockers from Segwit2x). This creates the playing field for an actual free market 
- Collaboration vs extraction - key is aligning incentives so both parties win and grow the pie
- “Value waterfalls and the remix economy”- Max’s idea of how BTC and open source protocols will evolve - similar to Stemstr. Both parties win when they collaborate are incentivized to share the same stream of files which get remixed and create thicker value waterfalls or a bigger pie for all 
- Peter Kropotkin and Mutual Aid - rereading Darwin for mutual aid as a driving factor in evolution 
- Karma and evolution: 1) nothing is permanent; everything is in flow; everything is relative - one order lower of complexity sees only itself + information 2) karma may be the ultimate driver/law of evolution - a system evolves in its totality toward more mutual aid and complexity 
- Hegel and the Master-Slave Dialectic - exploitation requires dehumanization making both parties less in touch with reality and happy; in order for them to both be free they need to become peers. The ultimate goal is more liberation/liberty 
- P2P peer relationships are the best healthiest relationships: what we see in Bitcoin and open networks 
- John Nash: non oppressive mind space is healthiest - Mind on Strike: giving more people mind space allows their minds to explore and explode open; libertarianism comes from liberation and the need for some equality for this to happen. 
- Is John Nash Satoshi?
- Ben’s entry to bitcoin: dorky Uk news correspondents, his students using dark markets, a hatred of banks, and Wikileaks 
- The mindseed for Nostr: Ben’s Diagon Alley 
- Pirate Bay and p2p markets 
- Building the first twitter clone on nostr; apologies for NIP-04
- Reverting a fiatjaf hard commit led to Branle
- Securing http://nostr.com for 1 BTC
- First talk on Nostr at Paralelni Polis
- Finding the alpha with the productive nyms; spear fishing for projects; hanging out on edge of internet; if you’re sending a deck it’s generally too late for me 
- Nostr and free / open / non Orwellian / non evil IoT - what all can we build with relays, web sockets, and public key crypto 
- Building a new web with Nostr (e.g. see Nostr Wallet Connect and early IoT)- the old web is compromised and drowning in AI spam; dead internet theory is here; Nostr (public key crypto) for signing notes is our best defense 
- http://Nostr.com is selling dope NIP-05 verifiers 
- LNbits released a Nostr signing device for identity management
- Nostr is best of both worlds online - create smaller forum like communities while still riding on a global network effect 
- “A better Internet is possible” - we’re not at the end of history 
- FOSS, nostr, and bitcoin are viruses which infect the system: Just like the major financial institutions with Bitcoin, eventually Twitter will plug into Nostr 
- Monopoly of the commons is the future; FOSS eventually swallows all (see Switzerland recently requiring the government to use FOSS)
- AI brings the age of disposable software at least at the level of building extensions 
- The need for more Bitcoin and Nostr tooling in Python for the AI community so they can easily bring identity and payments / value transfer to the agents 
- Max’s thesis: evolution of digital life forms : open source models will evolve into swarms of agents with value - see http://hivemind.vc/ai
- The importance of reputation in Nostr: Web of Trust as a theoretical solution; open timestamps with payment to go higher up a merkle tree; AI agent as dvm for calculating trust 
- Ben is more wary of AI long term and thinks it will be more monolithic than swarm-like; perhaps it becomes a benign dictator that could kill us or just give us what we need to be happy; could be capitalism as we know it eating itself and requiring a new system?
- How the Light Gets In: philosophy festival (part of haybook festival): open AI guy calling the god AI Super Gaia 
- Max’s idea on AI: there will be always trade-offs resulting in different forms of intelligence

 
 ‘Trust is deflationary’

mindblowing insight 🤯 
 WHO DAT?! 
 in the past 330 days, the damus relay has transferred 104 TB of notes 
 Who's going to build the hub for remixing software?

https://x.com/seyitaylor/status/1834218814109548597

Nostr seems like a really good substrate for this...

 @dk  @franzap  @Stuart Bowman  @PABLOF7z
 
 Excellent post from  @dk on expanding the Nostr user base. 

https://www.curiousdk.com/p/6885aeab-251e-412b-bbba-1a0b09896558

I'm particularly excited about the opportunity to purple pill folks with aligned values (e.g. the open source community, free thinkers, etc). I did a pod this morning with the author of this website:

https://www.tekgnostics.com/

By the end of the jam, he was very interested in and excited about Nostr. I think there are many examples like this that each of us can pursue while Nostr's next major use case germinates. 
 
 The challenge of securely logging into a nostr mobile app seems to be stifling innovation/usage for a number of powerful experiences. I've run into this repeatedly over the last couple of days. 

Who is actively working on solving this?

I know @PABLOF7z has nsecbunker and @brugeman  has nsec.app. What else is out there ? 
 Can you log into this with nostr? Am I too simple to see it?
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 Yes! It's easy on browser with  @Alby

Not sure on mobile. Someone else was asking me this as well, so might be worth making this easier to see  @geyser

Also  @dk had some great ideas around making it easier to see that you can zap a note from a client like  @primal or  @damus and that the zap will go toward the project goal. Could be as simple as marking the zap in some way. Perhaps a crowdfunding NIP (is there already one?) could make this easier 
 I would love to see someone carry the torch with @stemstr! This project is the best example of the remix economy which Nostr enables and has real legs imo 

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 Speaking of which: I love  @stemstr! Is anyone still working on this project? Probably the best example of the Nostr native remix economy to date 
 Product idea: I'd love an easy to use meme template maker complete with nostr login and lightning split payments. Ideally this could evolve into a meme marketplace where people remix and distribute memes. Inspired a bit by  @stemstr

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 One of the 🐐 s 
 We've got >3M sats from 138 contributors! Who's gonna help us get over the finish line to put up a Nostr billboard in Brazil? 🇧🇷 𓅦

https://geyser.fund/project/nostrifybrazil via  @geyser
 
 Funding Secured!!! 💰 ₿ 𓅦 🇧🇷  >4.2M sats from >140 nostriches 

Ask and ye shall receive! On Friday, I noticed an amazing Nostr billboard in Amsterdam put up by  @Sebastix & based upon ideas from  @Spiral.  I asked if anyone was doing something similar for Brazil, a country where awareness might really move the needle at this particular moment  in time (h/t  @pomskyroy for the mind seed).  By Saturday,  @geyser had launched a project and worked out the logistics with  @ivygalindo. As of 30 mins ago, we crossed the finish line thanks to a generous contribution from  @moneyball.

This is a BFD and shows the power of open networks for communication, value, and payments working symbiotically together. We literally willed an idea into existence in ~ 3 days (and I'm guessing we'll need a few more to get the art/message settled and board up).

Social media was powerful in the past, but ultimately very limited. It's one thing to rally and organize the troops. It's something else entirely to transmute that potential energy into kinetic energy via the coalescence of "real world" value. The digital world is now reshaping the physical and this is just the beginning. 

Nostr, Bitcoin, and the Lightning Network together are much more powerful than anyone  yet realizes 𓅦₿⚡️

nostr:note1w68gva8zf6ws72sxf4ad952wj847lxq2mgdppceqex8lmvklue0qcr28zm  
 How much of this bump do you think was actually  new users from Brazil? 

My guess is that most of these were Bitcoiners reactivating after reading about Telegram and Brazil. Could also be a post conference bump. And, ofc, we've been growing steadily for ~6mos. It seems like folks are returning and sticking around due to better app experiences, interoperability, etc. One great example is that returning Bitcoiners are now able to link their npub to their   @fountain_app account and a have much richer experience with a pre-populated social graph like Breaker back in the day. 

Wdyt? If these are Brazilians, where can I find them? 

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 Building open source code is like building a perfectly preserved structure that exists forever in... 
 open code + open data --> digital life evolves 

This reminds me a lot of my convo with  @Stuart Bowman

https://fountain.fm/episode/E8PW5z2yVPzNBN2b44Kr

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 Ask and ye shall receive - well done  @geyser!

I just made an initial donation. I'll match another 420k sats if folks donate today. We're currently at ~680k sats. Let's make this happen 🇧🇷🚀

https://geyser.fund/project/nostrifybrazil/

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 Funding Match Secured 💰 ₿ 𓅦 

Big shout to  @jb55 Let's keep going!  We're about 2M sats away. Who's up next?

https://tidal.com/browse/track/4527443?u

nostr:note1utdlltng245fv2e87ymkrjeyjx463ak6vsca5nuqmwwpddd3ddnqyuc98r  
 This is amazing! I didn't realize it was real. 

Is anyone working on crowdfunding a similar billboard for 🇧🇷? 

cc  @Sebastix  @geyser  @dk  @moneyball  @UNCLE ROCKSTAR

nostr:note1hx8pgnkqsrvmldpujzhz89zdzyr98ptrayk0zdsfsuht5ytfc05qe6ve54  
 Ask and ye shall receive - well done  @geyser!

I just made an initial donation. I'll match another 420k sats if folks donate today. We're currently at ~680k sats. Let's make this happen 🇧🇷🚀

https://geyser.fund/project/nostrifybrazil/

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 One of my faves 
 Bands like Modest Mouse will kill it with #Value4Value 
 Open protocols for: 

• Value ₿ 
• Payments ⚡ 
• Identity/communication 𓅦   

Each is powerful on its own, but they need each other to thrive 🤝🚀 

nostr:note1a8rflamsnzhkt0k3ru3uhqzsayfjuur89wrwqeda9thquqpty0hql9kmf7  
 follow along to see @norkut become a thing 👇

nostr:note1c7qtv5tlry6gaew0xm38dzj7uq4lcazj44vyh... 
 Zapping repos with split payments will be a game changer for software development. I'd love to see someone run with this incredible concept from  @Alby 🐝 ⚡ 

nostr:note1gmrkgmr90dfxdy0ll350jw8h6t70r22dtfc0w8vnew32wgn0k33qpm2jw5  
 The  @Spiral hack week was the genesis of the Netherlands and now Brazil billboards! See all their ideas below for inspiration. 

What message do you like for 🇧🇷 ? 

cc  @geyser

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 I was initially confused by the idea of microapps, because all examples I heard were about social... 
 Still one of the best explanations of nostr's potential h/t  @brugeman

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