Oddbean

I've tried pretty much every form of milk over the years for my protein smoothies and eventually settled on Silk Cashew milk for the following reasons: 1. 0 cholesterol 2. 0 sugar 3. 0 carbs 4. No seed oils (many plant based milks have them) 5. No lecithin emulsifiers (also common in plant based milks)

Cashew isn’t a seed, its closer to a nut. Technically Its a drupe which is a type of fruit. Plants have developed clever ways to disseminate their “offspring” and fruits nuts and seeds are vastly different in this regard. Oily Fruits like olives & avocados are tasty to get animals to help disperse them. Nuts are technically fruits so same kinda method. Seeds on the other hand are VERY different. They use toxins to discourage animals from foraging them. Some Birds have adapted but mammals generally haven’t. Manufacturers then use detergents to neutralize and remove the bad tasting toxins (bitter) and they also boil the seeds to reduce the oil out further damaging the oil. Cold pressed flax is good for example but it’s expensive to produce in large quantities so larger companies that need a cheap filler buy things like canola oil instead because its cheap and people don don’t immediately get sick from it. Its a double whammy though. Firstly its rancid already from heating it AND its got many toxins that cause inflammation. No oil is good for you after its been heated past its smoke point but the delicate fats (omega-9) in seeds are damaged from any heat. As a general rule cook with omega 3 and as the temperature goes down, use omega 6 and avoid eating a lot of omega 9. Heres an example: Smaller quantities of sunflower are okay because they’re loaded with other nutrients and minerals that are hard to het in out diet but don’t heat them just eat raw. If the seed came from a fruit like a pumpkin or sesame fruit you’re good to eat more of them just remember that heating them fucks the oil up.

Just don’t heat any oil past its smoke point. Omega 3s are the most stable so if you need to marinade for a BBQ or fry, choose an oil thats going to stay stable. A quick search will answer what oil is best for each and just avoid seed oils in general especially when cooking.

You posted a whole lot to be wrong about a cashew not being a seed. You're contradicting yourself. You're right about it being a drupe, which is a type of fruit, and a cashew is a cashew fruit seed. It is botanically a seed.

Totally agree with your point. But to be fair, rapeseed oil is less common than its relative canola oil. The rapeseed wiki article says "Canola oil is limited by government regulation to a maximum of 2% erucic acid by weight in the US[4] and the EU,[5] with special regulations for infant food. These low levels of erucic acid do not cause harm in humans.[4][6]". I didn't look at the references but I'm skeptical of their claim that 2% does no harm.

Let me be clear. Its not a “relative” Canola and rapeseed are the EXACT same thing. They only changed the name because people my age knew it was toxic to eat. Eat it or don’t idc, but its horrible for you.

I generally stick to searches on scholar.google.com. I usually follow correlations, biological mechanisms of action, statistical significance, and meta-analysis to make a judgement on whether something is generally healthy. I agree that oils and fats in general are not good in excess, but it is pretty clear when taking into account those 4 pillars of scientific analysis that saturated fats are far more damaging to one's health than unsaturated fats. Don't take my word for it though. It only take a few weeks of trial and testing on one's health and habits to see results for yourself. That's why I highly recommend everyone adhere to their own diet and get tested with a lipid panel and an apolipoprotein-B test to see that diet's effects on their health. It is the strongest biomarker we have for cardiovascular health. Unfortunately it isn't a part of most standard lipid panels yet, even though it should be.

You either have to completely ignore those 4 pillar of scientific analysis I mentioned or accept that saturated fat is very damaging to cardiovascular and metabolic health. There is no other reconciliation of that. But like I said, don't take my word for it. Eat a diet high in saturated fat and then go get your apolipoprotein-B levels checked with a blood test. If you want to conclude that maintaining high levels of apolipoprotein-B in in your bloodstream is safe, then that's your risk and not mine.

It’s okay man. Do your thing. Maybe you’ll unplug from the matrix maybe you won’t, but I know everything you’ve posted is what the scientific community preaches. I used to also. -I have changed my mind- You do you. My opinions are here for people that are open to them.

Agreed. We're on the same page there. You do you. That's why I emphasized getting your own blood test to analyze your own results for yourself. I think it is good for everyone do to for themselves. If you see your results and your happy with them, then that's great. I'm extremely happy with my blood test results and my cardiovascular risk is extremely low. Good luck to you!

Coincidentally, Rogan has a great episode on this exact topic. Listen to 15min and if you’re not at least curious what they’re talking about, nothing will change your mind. https://open.spotify.com/episode/14XV2p3zAYVWPt7F2hpP9Z?si=2PNAFM-aRVGmlhU2e59CJw&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A4rOoJ6Egrf8K2IrywzwOMk&t=651

Look, I think there would be a lot we agree on when it comes to the failures of our food system and that we'd both agree the standard american diet is atrocious for health. If everyone at more whole food, it would go a long way in promoting public health outcomes. These podcasts lack substance however, even though they might pull at the heart string of what we feel is wrong with a broken system. I am well familiar with most of the arguments that are presented by those that follow the carnivore diet like Saifedean, Shawn Baker, Saladino, etc. I've read both of Saifedean's books. I agree with his economics a lot, but he makes poor arguments for a lot of the connections he loves to make towards the year 1971. In the podcast you linked with Natalie and Matthew, Matthew makes the same poor compelling arguments about nutrition that Saifedean and the rest of the anti-seed oil community make. For example, they appeal to ancestry even though our ancestors didn't eat for optimal nutrition at all, nor were they devoid of heart disease. Life expectancy was also far lower and they died more of infections before the ravages of post-prandial diseases have a chance to take hold. Anthropologically speaking, diets in human history varied greatly as well. So appealing to ancestry means very different things depending on where you look in the world. The connection between nutrition and 1971 also fails scrutiny. They try to link the bludgeoning fiat money system to poor nutrition guidelines and food subsidies that lead to the national health crisis we're in. But this premise fails to recognize the fact that the animal agriculture is the largest recipient of agriculture subsidies in the US. Animal agriculture and the feed crops that go toward it account for more than half our agriculture subsidies. If our fiat system is to blame for any skewing of economic markets within our food system, ignoring the biggest recipient of these subsidies by far is a gross negligence of this theory. That's not the mention the outsized and direct influence that the Meat Board and their ilk have played in our national dietary guidelines dating back to the 1970's. So the whole connection between fiat money and "fiat food" falls a bit flat to me. You can't point the finger and fiat monetary policies and unchecked budgetary subsidies all while ignoring the largest recipient and beneficiary. All through the podcasts, you hear the claim "I/we looked at the data", but rarely do they state what that data is or was that they looked at. Science isn't settled in podcasts. Show me some research from scholar.google.com that backs some claims made. You can make all the claims of corruption you want, but at the end of the day if you're going to make claims about " the data shows this", then show it. If your data isn't backed up with any correlation, doesn't have any explainable biological mechanisms of action, doesn't have strong statistical significance, and doesn't have a myriad of meta-analyses to back it up, then what exactly is this "data" being mentioned? If there isn't data being presented and available for review, then in the end it is preaching to authority ironically in anger about authority. To be honest, I'm not even pro-seed oil. I think oils in general are an overly caloric dense food that almost always leads to overconsumption; which I'm sure we'd both agree is unhealthy. I just find it extremely hypocritical/anti-critical that those in the carnivore community are so anti-seedoil when in reality every single argument they make against seed oils can be made against carnivorism. For example, not once do you ever see any carnivore explain why in controlled trials where "seed oils" are substituted in place of saturated fats, we see either neutral or positive metabolic health outcomes. Like I said, if you actually want to read about any of this, I can send you links to countless studies that back up these repeatable results. But you've already written them off as part of a much larger conspiracy. Better yet, do yourself a favor and provide yourself the data from yourself, like I mentioned before. It is easy enough to perform an N-of-1 trial on yourself to get an idea as to what your health outcomes are. If you haven't had your apo-B levels checked, then how can you be so sure that what you're prescribing to is actually helping? If they are, that's great. Keep on trucking!

1. Egoxenous cholesterol does not affect endogenous cholesterol production. ~90% of cholesterol is produced in the liver, so if you increase your dietary intake, the liver will just produce less. Cholesterol is very, very important and its production is dictated by very old genes. 2. Sugar is bad, m'kay. 3. Sugar and carbs might as well be used as synonyms. I think this is part of a language game where ignorant people will say that carbs aren't the problem, but sugar is. All carbs except fibre, which is completely useless by itself, gets broken down into monosaccharides, most commonly glucose, which is then metabolized by the body. 4. Seed oils are pure poison. 5. So just drink raw milk 😉 Honestly, though, if you aren't actively doing resistance training, milk probably shouldn't be in your diet anyway due to relatively high carbs. It's a quick source of complete protein, however. Plant protein is not complete protein, though, so I see no reason for ever drinking a plant "milk" product, unless for the taste.

one if the things i appeciate about you is that you don't go for any group think solutions. you do you. and to all you other dum dums, stop drinking the excretions of other animals meant for babies, weirdos.

Raw goats has been good for me. undid a lot of my allergies Nut "milks" miss almost all benefits of milk, plus the phytic acid in nuts is actually kinda bad for leeching minerals. honestly though I think i'm leaning towards cutting diary altogether lately and just throwing egg yolks in my smoothies more often.

eggs and milks have different disadvantages i will just throw into the mix that tubers, nuts and drupes have things in them that have certain benefits, notably especially potassium, zinc and magnesium, milks also have a lot of potassium, egg whites can be problematic, i know at least for sure that they cause anemia in felines so probably there is some dangers for us in albumin binding up stuff in our GI tract and blood also, but at the same time there is some great stuff in yolk but at the same time, those hard cholesterols can play havoc with the gallbladder as well! for sure, boron, potassium and magnesium are three minerals you should investigate because all three can have issues both with mainstream food supplies and with keto/carnivore diets various other factors play into why these are important, for example, barium additives and pollution from especially aircraft fuel additives can deplete and interfere with potassium, radioactive isotopes like Cesium 137 mess with your potassium also, most processed starchy foods will be low in Boron which leads to elimination of magnesium and potassium and not to forget, bromine and fluorine cause all kinds of problems in the endocrine system and the main cure is iodine, and the best form is Lugol's iodine and it's important to take it, as much as possible, on an empty stomach without any ascorbic acid or alkali present so that the elemental form gets into the blood as well as the hydriodic acid form the modern food system and industrial contaminants and building materials are so messed up, there is a whole matrix of problems being caused that are really hard to figure out and some of us poor bastards have had to suffer with for decades

Dunno. That does not sound like milk to me. But what do I know. There's cheese as additive some cheese in the USA, and it's still called cheese... by.. hmm.. if the FDA says it is, must be true. So much for Libertarian.