Oddbean

he's right though - one day the FBI is going to be smashing in your door once Damus becomes a real threat. Right now the hydra heads are focused on X and the others, but in time, and with growth - developers need to actually consider their opsec Elon has security, intel - what does a nostr dev have?

he's not right. if FBI shuts down Damus that will mean nothing. They will have to shut down every other iOS client and forks of Damus to disrupt iOS nostr users. Even if iOS becomes completely locked down you can still use PWAs and Damus android. Damus doesn't require any special infrastructure except relays. I've designed it so if I die or are imprisoned it will continue working.

well that's open source repos right? anyone can continue the work if the founders die. Thing is though, what happens when they start chasing you because Damus becomes a threat? Say what you will about continuation, but Damus is yours fundamentally, you guide it's development. Fucking with that fucks with the community. That's what i'm taking away from that dude's comment anyways.

Sir, these are nearly the same arguments made against #bitcoin since 2009. Quite literally speaking, both #nostr and bitcoin were specifically and painstakingly designed to not be censored. I say this as gently and respectfully as possible, these “what if” arguments are retarded.

did you read the OP note? I think you should re-read it again, then read what I said. Take any dev that currently builds on nostr out, and what, whose going to take up the reins, you the community? there's a reason @fiatjaf is @fiatjaf lol

So your new premise is now a hypothetical scenario where all capable nostr software developers are “disappeared” and therefore no single person is left use the protocol to build a new client or relaunch an old one? Again, this is retarded Sir. You are clearly trolling.

If William disappears because Nostr is so big and important you don't think there will be any other programmer in the world capable of forking it and continuing to develop it? And you don't think there will be a myriad of other independent apps people can switch over time?

The idea of open source protocols is that anyone can start freely building on it without anyones permission. If there are none left willing to continue Damus development, then another iOS client will appear with another dev coding it. It's hard to shutdown decentralized development, you have to chase every developer distributed across different countries/jurisdictions. Until people find Nostr useful, it will be very hard, almost impossible, to shutdown the network.

yeah, this is what i'm saying. We're small now, but once we get on proper radars, targets will be put on backs. And it may not even be governments, it could be other mainstream media or companies that nostr directly ends their business models.

If one nostr app gets shut down, every user “account” will continue to function and every piece of content will continue to be available on countless other nostr apps. This is a nontrivial feature, and it’s not true of X.

My dad sed don't listen to them because they can't stop us and don't listen to what other people say and they can't stop us. We will defend freedom of speech nostr:nevent1qqsf7m36rq8pyj22d0rd9kl8a0m738ahjdlrpa0ae35hx3jmdp2ru8szyqewrqnkx4zsaweutf739s0cu7et29zrntqs5elw70vlm8zudr3y2rhe2ha

> ... If I die or are imprisoned, it will continue working. That's how we should build nostr:nevent1qqsf7m36rq8pyj22d0rd9kl8a0m738ahjdlrpa0ae35hx3jmdp2ru8spzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsygpjuxp8vd29p6ancknaztql3eajk52y8xkppfn7au7elkw9c68zg5psgqqqqqqscqgupa

"They will have to shut down every other iOS client" > it's Apple. https://image.nostr.build/a1d1ff860febee2f1aa0c670c6861d6a15bb04feffc3fe6b4ed0290ed7496dbe.gif nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqvhpsfmr23gwhv795lgjc8uw0v44z3pe4sg2vlh08k0an3wx3cj9qqsf7m36rq8pyj22d0rd9kl8a0m738ahjdlrpa0ae35hx3jmdp2ru8s0v3lsu

They wouldn't shut you down. The first step would be to outright buy you. Everyone has a price, so will you. After that starts the route to "improve" Damus and for example introduce recommended relays to prevent "porngraphy" or some other excuse for our safety. You'll ever forget to improve critical features that users will beg you for years to implement. Repeat this for other promissing clients, after a few years nostr will still be an exotic plaything whereas bluesky, mastodon and similar walled gardens will shine as champions for democracy, equality and human rights. Every now and then they'll take a hard stance at whatever government just to prove us they are on the right side of history. Life is good.

developers are attack vectors - if you can id a dev to an app or service, you can nail them or even just make their life miserable enough to stop pushing the lead. The protocol is fine; should always be as long as we have good actor relays and clients. But the devs can be attacked if they get to "big" and it may not even be governments; fucking Meta-boy Zuck will get @WillCasarin into a triangle choke hold - whatchumean FBI, he'll deal with it himself https://image.nostr.build/a505722799cfd0f991722b46fbc6dd0d82dc407f8e76073593bf57721b473b7e.jpg

Lol Zuckerli. I'd love to spar with that dude and kick his butt into Nirvana. While you're right in terms of Devs being an attack vector they still won't be able to stop nostr. But events such as Pavel's arrest in France show us why Satoshi's disappearance was a good thing. The moment you attach your name or a company to your work you're making yourself a target 🎯

that's it - perfect example. Pavel is a centralised point of attack. In his case, he does affect telegram - here, no one individual affects nostr protocol or the essence of relays and sharing notes. like you can't take out fiatjaf irl because of his opsec. same with satoshi. Opsec for nostr devs is important imo, which is what my point is. Sure you can't attack the protocol, but you can attack the humans around it. but that's what I take away from this Parker dude tweets - Elon has security and money and influence to create a moat of protection. Fiatjaf, Satohsi used anonymity for protection. Will, Kieran, Pablo etc. all are front facing devs - in this aspect they can be attacked and then whose gonna build zap.stream 😢 me? you? God save us.