Oddbean new post about login | logout What evidence do you have that the millions of people who are fleeing Twitter are doing so out of spite?
They are going to bluesky … 20 million of them. Have you been to blue sky ?
No. Nostr is the only place I am. That, and occasionally reddit for certain subs. But the fact is, you're attributing certain motivations to millions of people based, apparently, on your subjective perception. It's not reasonable to believe that all these people have the same motivations for leaving, and that motivation is the most cynical. It's not a reasonable or realistic belief.
Ok where else are the blue sky people coming from?
I'm have no idea. What does that have to do with the individual motivations of all these people? You're painting with an exceptionally broad brush seemingly based on your subjective perception. There's no value in that. It's just a way to be dismissive, and support your preconceived beliefs. It's not objective fact.
Blue sky is the X complaint department. I don’t have any cynical views you just open the app and take a look… all they do is complain about twitter and Elon
That doesn't mean they left Twitter out of spite.
And the fact that most of them are going to Bluesky isn't evidence of their individual motivations.
Open the app and tell me it ain’t so … literal left most politicians joining and their followers …
It's irrelevant to what you're asserting. A red herring. You cannot divine the individual motivations of millions of people based on demographics and ideologies.
People are generally running from twitter to blue sky because they are liberal lefties who hate Elon and his right leaning tendencies. It has nothing to do with the app being better. They are running away from him. You see this in conversations. Of course I don’t know individual motivations but it’s safe to assume that’s what it boils down to. No red or blue herrings here. Don’t bs me. If you want data search reasons people left twitter survey and have a look. I could be wrong but I’m betting I’m right.
Even if you're correct that 100% of them hate Musk and are leftists, it's not evidence that spite is their motivation for leaving. Just because someone hates something or someone doesn't mean that getting away for it is out of spite. That's not what that word means.
Ok I used a wrong word big deal.
Lol it is a big deal when it's the basis for your entire argument.
My argument is that people left because of Elon and his character not some technical changes. If you want to hang on one word go right ahead
Might as well join in… a common report of people leaving is regarding bots. However, I have no skin in this horse. Nostr and Fediverse only here.
Poisonous toads thou, ain’t got shit coming
not your relay, not your tags let’s just leave it at that, closenheimer
I think it's important for people with different beliefs to come together to have these sometimes adversarial discussions. It's how we move forward. I want to make clear that despite differing opinions about this issue, I respect the people making their arguments, even if I don't agree. Civil argument and debate is the way we understand and relate to each other.
I'm not hanging on one word. I'm refuting your assertion that millions of people acted as one, with a single motivation for their actions. It's an absurd prospect. People are individuals who have their own reasons for doing things. And by painting them all with one subjective brush, you are demonstrating a lack of empathy, and an unwillingness to see the situation from any other perspective than your own. It's unproductive, and intellectually bankrupt.
I never said they acted as one. They have a new space available to them and they don’t like the new right twitter and new leadership so they switch. Or you know of some better technical reason? 20 million now care about decentralized socials but never bothered with Mastodon? Apply some common sense.
I don't disagree with that point. But it's a pivot from the what we were originally talking about. I think we've both said all there is to say on it. We're not going to agree on this, and that's OK. I respect you, and I appreciate your perspective even if I don't agree.
I asked you what he did wrong and then implied that there is not much one can do if people leave because they don’t like you or what you’ve done to their safe space. A space that was clearly favoring left leaning conversations. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s not about him specifically but the tone of new X and the fact that there is now an available alternative where there wasn’t one previously, and the fact that it feels more like the old familiar (left-leaning) place. Maybe it doesn’t matter if it’s Elon or if it were someone else. I won’t die on that hill arguing for personal dislike because I just don’t know what’s true for everyone.
Writing them all off as being motivated by spite is just a dismissive, self-reinforcing tactic to cloister yourself in your own beliefs and provide a justification for not considering the matter any further. It's not intellectual honesty, and it's not productive.
Why would I consider it any further… I could care less. If you want data look it up. Surveys will say people are not happy with new leadership … aka Elon. Because they don’t like that he went right. Otherwise outline the changes that you think that made them leave. I don’t know what they are since I don’t use that platform - I’m going off of what I see and hear and what I’ve experience on blue sky. Nothing to do with intellectual honesty.