No specific time. This is after 100's of interviews with libertarians, conservatives, progressives and trying to consider how you make things better.

I think Libertarians are morally right but their ideas don't seem to gain traction enough to make a difference. Mike Brock pointed me in the direction of Otto von Bismarck - “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best.” which was the basis of the argument I wanted to put together. 

 "we the people" want free stuff 

 I listened to your recent interview with him, but had to stop halfway through when he kept interrupting you with “f’ing this, f’ing that”.

I agree with the sentiment of the quote.  But my sense was a lot of Mike’s arguments against libertarianism can be boiled down to “who will build the roads?” 

 I don't think those were his arguments, I think they were more left wing ideology and fear of a Trump administration. 

 There were sections where he was arguing against there being widespread corruption in govt, and against “draining the swamp”.  I think he also directly critiqued libertarianism at some point.