When someone says Bitcoin is not crypto, I know they are just parroting something they don't understand. Bitcoin uses cryptography to create digital currency. It is a cryptocurrency. Saying it's not is like saying air is not gas. Yes, many types of gas are toxic and dangerous. When people say Bitcoin not crypto as their focus, it's like saying that for example a conference is about air and not the general category of gas. But that does not mean air is not a gas. Bitcoin not crypto means that whoever says is focusing on this particular one, most of them think that other representatives of this category are junk, but this should not mean denying reality. Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. Pretty good one, maybe even the best one. But a cryptocurrency.
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When someone says “Bitcoin not crypto” they are segregating Bitcoin from a bunch of horseshit so that it doesn’t get tarred with the same brush. Nobody is under any illusions that Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency, but it’s an important distinction that is worth the repeated effort to make if it’s going to breakthrough with normies.
Denying reality and saying something but meaning something else is a good mindfuck strategy, but the only thing it separates is the person saying it from the sane people who know meaning of the words they use.
They’re not saying something else nor denying reality. To be clear what they are saying is “Bitcoin, not crypto”, making them into distinct classes; ie different things. That both words refer to cryptocurrencies is not the relevant point of the statement. “Gold, not metals” would convey the same - it implies a distinction and delineation in what the speaker is referring to, a superior/inferior. I know some languages would equate “not” to simply a negative of the following word, but that’s not how it’s being used in this context in English.
For the third time: I am not criticizing "Bitcoin, not crypto". I am criticizing "Bitcoin is not crypto".
Then you are tilting at windmills because that is not what someone saying “Bitcoin, not crypto” is meaning, as I just detailed for you. If you’ve explained it three times and you think everyone else is wrong, perhaps it is indeed you who has it backwards.
You are still talking about "Bitcoin not crypto", I did not post about this. The original post was about Bitcoin is not crypto, which I keep hearing (last time yesterday in local 21 group), that's why I'm writing about it. if you mean Bitcoin not crypto, don't say Bitcoin is not crypto, that's all.
The saying "bitcoin is not crypto" does not express the truth, it expresses an opinion 😉
If someone says "beach fishing, not ocean fishing", do you think they don't understand water?
Don't be so literal. Unless you know of another way to convey bitcoins singular uniqueness from everything else that came before or since in 4 words or less... 🤷♂️
Yes, use one less word: Bitcoin, not crypto Correct - meaning "we are here for Bitcoin, not crypto, we are focusing on Bitcoin, on crypto". Bitcoin is not crypto Factually incorrect.
"Bitcoin is not cryptocurrency" makes literal sense. But I don't agree with your last part, as I see crypto only as a prefix, if it can't be a proper noun defined by "cryptocurrencies that aren't bitcoin" 😉
If you really want to get literal, the meaning of crypto is hidden, secret. Bitcoins ethos and practical implementation are open, distributed, transparent. If bitcoin is crypto for using cryptography, then so is every other form of language including things like the feeling of hunger at a biochemical level. Weird hill to die on.
Again - words are defined by their use. There is no other meaning that what the speaker uses it for. Many words changed their meaning. When people say "crypto", they don't mean hidden, although I personally like that meaning, when you utter this word, that's not what people understand. It is usually followed by a question "you mean something like Bitcoin?". That's the Schelling point aspect
You can use the word however you want. I would just answer: Yes, it's something *like bitcoin* Bitcoin & Crypto are novel nouns; we're defining them now as we go, hence the follow up question you mentioned when folks hear the word crypto is very typical. If you try to coalesce them into one thing, IMO you're not doing this space any favors failing to highlight bitcoins uniqueness.
Self-defense *is* murder. The implication of making that point is... that a person should be more restrained & deliberate when considering whether to defend their own life...?
self defense is not murder. https://m.primal.net/JrSl.png
You must work for a dictionary! It certainly depends where & when you live. If not, then murder has always been either naturally legal or naturally illegal. Can't understand anyway why you're hellbent on correcting folks who are otherwise simply trying to deliver a lesson to a person: bitcoin is singilarly unique, don't get distracted by the flashy lights at the crypto casino. Folks will hear your point about the falsity of the phrase, and digest the idea "bitcoin is indeed just like the rest" before they consider that you were just talking about the semantics of comma placement. Then, they'll feel better about their gambling. 😔
I'm not trying to coalesce the meaning. First - Meaning is created by how people understand words. You cannot create it, you can participate in it, but it's an emergent effect. It's the same as how you can't centrally control economy. economy and language are emergent phenomena. Second - being part of a category does not make everything equal. Water is a liquid, but that does not mean it's same as all other liquids, in fact, it's a very unique liquid, making life on this planet possible.
I feel attacked https://dergigi.com/2022/11/19/dear-crypto-fiat-bros/
I don't disagree with how you use it in your article. I am saying "Bitcoin, not crypto", "Bitcoin, not blockchain" is correct. That's what you focus on. The slight part that is wrong: "I am writing this in the hopes that some of you, dear fiat bros, will finally understand that bitcoin is not only different from all of "crypto," but that it is different from all other currencies, your beloved government-issued shitcoins included." Bitcoin is crypto, but it is unique. With currencies, you said it correctly (different from all OTHER cryptocurrencies". But otherwise, the article is good and that's not the use I've been referring to in the post. You simply state that we should focus on what is important and not all the shit noise around it. With that I mostly agree. We need to use correct words and be factually correct. There is a way to have a good punchline, get the message without being factually incorrect (in this case - the facts are the Schelling point of the meaning of the words, see: nostr:nevent1qywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnr09cxsetjwp6ku6eww3hkgcte9uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsz8thwden5te0dehhxarj9e3xjarrda5kuetj9eek7cmfv9kz7qgmwaehxw309ahx7um5wghx7unpdenk2urfd3kzuer9wchszxnhwden5te0dehhxarj9ecxcetzvd5xz6tw9ehhyee0qyd8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytn6v43x2er9v5hxxmr0w4jz7qgnwaehxw309ahkvenrdpskjm3wwp6kytcpzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qyd8wumn8ghj7urewfsk66ty9enxjct5dfskvtnrdakj7qgcwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxxatjwfjkuapwveukjtcqypmay88z2e6d8umvlk29nc0rj03evgwrqudsmyhdww7ppwdjqt4lykmmnwh
This is just you entirely misinterpreting the message. Purposely or not. There is a difference between saying "Bitcoin not crypto" / "Bitcoin is not crypto" and saying "Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency". You're interpreting as if the latter is what people are saying here.
People use the word "crypto" as a short way of saying cryptocurrency, it is a long word. I am saying "Bitcoin not crypto" is OK - it is an opinion of what you want to focus on ("air not gas (in general)", "medicinal plants, not plants (in general)", "gold, not all metals"). Saying "Bitcoin is not crypto" is just wrong. There's a distinction and I have literally heard people saying the latter and meaning it at the same time! Also see: nostr:nevent1qywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnr09cxsetjwp6ku6eww3hkgcte9uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsz8thwden5te0dehhxarj9e3xjarrda5kuetj9eek7cmfv9kz7qgmwaehxw309ahx7um5wghx7unpdenk2urfd3kzuer9wchszxnhwden5te0dehhxarj9ecxcetzvd5xz6tw9ehhyee0qyd8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytn6v43x2er9v5hxxmr0w4jz7qgnwaehxw309ahkvenrdpskjm3wwp6kytcpzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qyd8wumn8ghj7urewfsk66ty9enxjct5dfskvtnrdakj7qgcwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxxatjwfjkuapwveukjtcqypmay88z2e6d8umvlk29nc0rj03evgwrqudsmyhdww7ppwdjqt4lykmmnwh
Okay, sure. I see your point. Leave out the word "is" to be factually correct. Nonetheless I think you're generalizing a bit too much by stating that people are parroting something they do not understand, just because of this wording. Next to being short for "cryptocurrency", the word "crypto" is also used to refer to the big pile of nonsensical cryptocurrencies outside of Bitcoin. I'm certain that you are well aware of this. I'm sure there are plenty of individuals who say it without understanding it, but I'm also sure there are plenty of individuals who say it this way and know very well what they're talking about.
most people talking about crypto are referring also to Bitcoin, not only the nonsensical stuff. That is what I'm talking about precisely. Bitcoiners often exclude it, but that's not how most people understand the word. If we go out of our bubble, people use words differently. If we actually want to warn them, we should use the words to communicate, not confuse. And inside the circle, people already know...
I fully agree with you that it's important to communicate in a language that's understandable for newbies, but that's a different conversation 😃.
Not only for newbies. This is not a conversation about dialing down on expert language so the laymen would understand. This is about semantics of words and basic set theory (something is a node in a set). Talking in a language that newbies understand is not even it. We once had a substitute teacher on math and she used the word "or", but she meant "and". Even though she would speak more expert language than us, she was simply wrong, she did not understand the meaning of the word.
The point with using words is that you are referring to a Schelling point that the word represents. In that, your perception is not important, it is what others agree on the word means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_point_(game_theory) A good way to extract the Schelling point of meaning of words is AI, that is basically what the statistical model does (it does it on semantic vector embedding layer, so very early AI, pre-gpt was already good at it). This is one of the rare examples where you can actually use AI output as an argument, because it's a direct task that the AI's statistical model is trained on. Also what is funny to me is that Bitcoin is the best example of a cryptocurrency. I don't think it's a good strategy to deny common knowledge, it will never change everyone's mind. A good analogy would be - when people talk about plant medicine, please understand that many plants will just kill you. Not every plant is good for you, even though it's natural. If you want to use a cryptocurrency, use the best one. What is the best one? Well, we have a thing for that, it's called a market, what do people agree on (Schelling point again)? Check the cryptocurrency market cap. Much more useful than denying obvious reality of how people understand words. https://m.primal.net/JrEz.png
Another Schelling point example (AI is good at these actually). https://image.nostr.build/adfda089b1728fa3ba126fb310d2604b6162655fb0ae97e719744501b1ea45d2.png Crypto = Cryptocurrency. That is what people mean when they use this word. They don't mean "only the shitty currencies except Bitcoin". Words are a Schelling point and their meaning is emergent of how they are used. We might not like it, but trying to redefine how people use the words is useless. Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. Probably the best example of a cryptocurrency, in short crypto. But yes - you can say "Bitcoin, not crypto (in general)" as in "I focus on Bitcoin, not the whole category, because I think other cryptocurrencies are horseshit". You should not say "Bitcoin is not crypto", because it is, it is what people mean by the word crypto (=cryptocurrencies) and Bitcoin is a perfect example of a cryptocurrency.
this fall in the category of argumentation "the market has decided, accept it" and my response would fall in the category "we individuals are the market, so I as individual will fight for affirming reasonable truth over this nonsense"
is reasonable truth that Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency?
yes, like if you build things that mimic the aspect of a plane but dont fly, and you invent the name "wingableshelics" for that cathegory of objects, it still dont have sense to call a plane a particular iteration of a wingableshelics. Is a disservice to people that want to understand what a plane is and how it flights, the only interested in sell their wingableshelics and the narrative associated with them are the ones that build them. Even if they will gain market popularity, sane and knowledgeable people would be pissed off and would say something like "its a plane, it flights, it works, its NOT a wingableshelics. These things are a class of useless objects built with the intention to stole money from you that have understood vaguely that some objects with wings can fly and they are selling you their shit that mimic it, scamming you".
The only problem that the term cryptocurrency was used at least since 1998 (Wei Dai's b-money paper). And people use crypto just as a short for cryptocurrency. So the category was invented way before, it included the predecessors to Bitcoin and Bitcoin itself, way before other coins joined. Your analogy is this completely wrong.
Ecash cashu or GNU taler are cryptocurrency? Are they more similar to precedent attempts to do electronic cash based on cryptography than what today is called cryptocurrency. But no, ask to chatgpt, by definition a cryptocurrency is express in function of bitcoin as a sort of clone of it that needs to have a "blockchain" and all the famcy stuffs. But not achieving what of bitcoin achieves. So they have the form of the planes, the wings and the fancy stuffs but they dont fly. But the name "wingableshelics" was used prior the inventions of the planes, from an ancient tribe to abstractly refer to prototipe of planes that actually somethimes was even able to fly for some meters.
It is because it's crypto money. Currency is issued by government, money emerges in the market.
Maybe as a classification. But there's a big difference between bitcoin and crypto. Thats what people mean when they say it. The original Mona Lisa is different from all its copies yet they are all paintings...
Sadly "crypto" no longer means "cryptography". It sucks and I hate it but it's the reality. 🤷♂️ Language evolves.
It's possible that Satoshi came up with the term cryptocurrency, he branded Bitcoin as cryptocurrency at least.
Yes but when we hear people saying “ what should I invest in? Bitcoin ? Or shitcoin ?”, we understand that they see Bitcoin like any other cryptocurrency. Which is wrong. Not because of the technical aspects (cryptography), but by its governance (no head, no money printing). That’s why bitcoin is not like any crypto. That’s why bitcoin is not crypto
When there is an opportunity for explanation, we can explain. Bitcoin is not a crypto appears to be a shortcut, but it's shortcut to "I am not talking to this person, who is obviously insane, even I know Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency". Use full sentences, make your case.