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 no i mean i open coracle.social and my relay doesn't even see one http header appear in the logs

snort.social, also

sometimes, after a while, they start to send messages to the relay

i have no fucking idea what is going on because clients are opaque, cryptic shit to my simple brain

i set my relays in client

i expect to at least see a FUCKING http connection header appear in my relay logs, because i can get that just by curling at it 
 just install and run https://github.com/Hubmakerlabs/replicatr and if you can tell me why i'll be very happy and maybe pay you because no other bitch has bothered to tell me why, i don't expect to have to talk to people to test their published software 
 Ohhh, ya I have seen this a little bit w coracle... I think it's trying to save bandwidth/connections or something.  (It's Outbox modelin') 
 yeah, i figured it was some bullshit like this

and of course nobody thinks to put a switch to turn that shit on and off, noo

only @hzrd149 has the brains to actually literally implement the protocol on the client side

makes sense why it's the only client that works with it, but i can't figure out why they step around it though

maybe i need to actually audit their code to discover the "don't connect to anything with "mleku" in the domain name or something?

i mean, that sounds crazy, am i really that hated? 
 i'm not saying i'm not hated, just look at who includes my npub in their mute list, i don't get it

do they not like me asking difficult questions?

do they not like to have their shit have a light shone on it?

do they actually think i'm so credible that letting me interact with them is gonna ruin their reputation?

what the fuck is going on?

i feel like i'm being gaslit by a fucking hive mind here 
 Probably something to do with steam coming off your notes when you're frustrated 😅 
 How many sats to get you to make a writeup on your discoveries? Preferably in a kind 30023 or 30818 
 idk, i write it all the time, i've only been recently getting some sats, maybe a dollar a day or so very recently

nobody wants a critic who doesn't hold anything back, this is facts, but fuck you how the fuck are we gonna make this thing soros and rothschild and musk proof without some serious criticism? 
 Fair point, no complaints from me. You interact as you see fit.

Asking for the writeup in those kinds  because the wiki and long-form subvert the short-note feed. It stands out compared to the others and is not considered as ephimeral compared to a short form.

There's an ongoing conversation regarding the need for general and  technical writers, the latter of whom can help detail functionality of clients. 

cc @Laeserin 
 mleku Just write it up in a markdown doc, liminal can publish it, and tag me. 
 Well, yes, but a bit of diplomacy wouldn't kill you, Mleku. 😂

Although, you have become much more diplomatic, lately. Maybe they'll warm up to you, eventually. Or not, and we'll just build around them and leave them in the dust. Whichever. 
 Hzrd149 has impressed me, from the beginning. I'm Team Nostrudel.

I also don't understand why the others don't just crib off of his stuff. What's the point of FOSS, if nobody learns from other people's code? He's clearly mentally channeling some sort of Nostr Metalayer or something. 😂 
 At any rate, what I've always liked about his client is that it doesn't tell me what to do or have any voodoo in the background. He just implements functionality and a control for it and is like, yo, have fun with that.

It's the dumbest client for the smartest users. 
 Nah, it's just the million layers of abstraction I've built to manage the complexity of batching requests. I've seen this too if and the Lord's willing and the creek don't rise I'll figure it out one of these days