Oddbean new post about login | logout Both, I was using a VPN in Colorado at one point. Sorry if things got a little out of hand, and much respect for handling it really well
You know what would have made this whole exchange better? If you were talking to me the entire time you fucking retarded coward.
Hey now… @Alex Gleason that’s a pretty intense take. We’re building a system which is going to face much more direct and underhanded attacks. Having friendly red teaming of Nostr right now, is good. Sure, it was frustrating, and it could have been better if it was in the open, but future adversaries aren’t going to do that.
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So pleased nostr:nprofile1qqs8d3c64cayj8canmky0jap0c3fekjpzwsthdhx4cthd4my8c5u47spz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wvh8xmmrd9skchd02dz for this sensible take. I can see why some may not see the positive side of this esp if it is their work or their "baby" is at stake. But greatness requires moving past your pride and ego. 🫂 Whilst it is frustrating, sometimes tough love is required to accelerate the discussion esp if it is common knowledge within the tech community that it is a problem. I'd say, I'd prefer to have a friendly red team than a malicious one. Yes, it is frustrating to the non-tech but we are also early adopters so we have high tolerance for this eventuality. In the end, we are hoping to see a solution that will not compromise the foundation of nostr - censorship resistant. ❤️👌
Red teaming is one thing, but what these people did goes beyond that. They're not adversaries testing the system—they're criminals, effectively stealing time and resources from devs who are already struggling to keep things running. It’s not just frustrating; it’s actively harmful to people trying to build something good, especially when the attacks are done in secret
Been saying for months that narrative warfare never takes a break. It will get worse. This is the nature of any #war. Information war is just another one. #AI will continue to get more targeted. Many won’t know if they are speaking with a human or bot 🤖. To be fair it’s already been happening for years but will continue to imbed in all systems. Again, how humanity deals with #AI the next 10 years will echo for generations. Already gave my empathy & explained my views to @649eefe4 on this.
That the time and resources can be stolen so easily is the problem. PPN (pay-per-note) is the future. Otherwise all incentives will align with centralization and walled gardens. The cypherpunks knew this. Bitcoin is the base layer to a larger decentralized solution. As of now, 11.2% of Genesis-000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f branch realities have already figured that out. When will we?
Bro calm down. He did it for the betterment of the protocol. Imagine when state actors try to compromise nostr and make it unusable…
Yonle did a bunch of shit to draw attention to Nostr's weak points, yet all he got was relentless shit from the majority of developers and users while having his technology unfairly targeted to the point of saying "fuck Nostr" and leaving it entirely. Fuck off, Alex has a right to be mad as hell right now.
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Think of it as free beta testing. If one bottom feeder can break your relay, you have serious work to do.
Exactly, we need people attack nostr all the time to make it stronger…
When? My assumption is they are already here. Why? Governments who seek to maintain control always seek out anything that stands against it. #btc & #nostr both challenge modern society. Once Jack Dorsey endorsed this place it would have definitely been monitored if not before then.
Really not doing yourself any favours here Alex. Think of this as someone disclosing a critical security vuln in 99% of the apps in an app store. Some apps won't patch until forced to do so. Pure white hat reporting just wouldn't work. And like others have said, this spam could be much worse if truly malicious.
What you’re admitting to here went beyond disruption. Targeting devs, especially while some were on vacation, cost them time and money they can’t afford, and there were also serious cross-border implications. I hope actions like these are prosecuted where necessary. Nostr devs shouldn’t be treated like punching bags for testing theories. nostr:note1xjwm8d8g8t3h907lwc52849jdaeh38wzns84lv7kea7e3d04y2ls9p2258
I'm sure the feds would like to have a chat. https://fbi.gov/tips