Oddbean

Choosing not to use open source is still a choice made in the free market. Forcing everyone to only use open source is not freedom. Is it a bad choice ? In most cases yes, terrible. In some niche cases, without me approving of OCEAN, it makes sense. Like in house softwate for a competitive business. I'm not sure i want my national electricity regulation software to be open source...

I want those who build it to learn from open source, but to open source it is to invite a bug with the type of failure that ends nations. There are alternative ways to build resilient software. Domain appropriateness.

Which nation has been ended by a foss bug? Sounds too dramatic. All centralized systems are single points of failure. Resilience imo can only be achieved by decentralization, especially for crucial infra. What is the point of a national electricity regulation software except for government crooks to abuse it, errrr sorry, "for it to be hacked by chAina"?

It's funny, i'm a militant Foss, but i can't even begin to imagine how open sourcing electricity management software on github would even start. Imagine the PR's from hostile nations. There are ways to do it, in a way where the OS community improves the grid while reducing hostile risk. But just a regular open source realease cycle ? How ? There are also legacy concerns. The system is itself subject to inter agency norms, generational release cycles, local political concerns. Its not running on a singular software base, like ASOP, software projects, or more recent monolithic power grid projects like Mexico, african countries, ect. Each state has had its own home grown , often incompatible ecosystem, since the invention of electricity. This is a good thing. There are several things you want air gapped and in house. Your wife, your money and the national fucking power grid software. Seems obvious. Imagine a library fault upstream the way nodejs spazzes out every few years. Except its grannies dying in winter. open to better ways of thinking about it though

Yikes dude. Ocean is a participant, knots is the software. Many people run old versions of Bitcoin, are they all censoring because their node doesn't validate any segwit data? Nobody is coming for anyone, releasing competing versions is healthy for the ecosystem and the network, which is hard for monero folks to wrap their heads around, blindly following every hard fork. If you don't like knots you are free not to use it or mine with ocean. Let the free market work.

Running an outdated node doesn’t affect what gets included in blocks. I was talking about Ocean, not Knots, Knots is a joke as Luke Dash Jr has 100% control and merges whatever he sees fit directly into main lol I can both think the free market is the ultimate judge and bring attention to this to our social pressure on them and be sure miners know what they’re getting into when they mine with Ocean. On the plus side at least Ocean is being transparent about their censorship now!

All good points, but they apply just as much to Monero hard forks If you don't like Monero you are free not to use it, you can fork it, or opt out by swapping your existing Monero. Let the free market work. Incompatibilities exists here just like they would in any free market.