This statement is nonsensical. OMEMO for XMPP also uses parts of Signal's protocols, and yet both SimpleX and XMPP allow users to not give their metadata to a single centralized entity that is running a single endpoint with software they are unable to verify. Ingesting literally every user's metadata, while actively preventing them from connecting to users outside of their own service is pretty much the antithesis of bitcoin, nostr, and the rest of that list, message encryption or not. 

 It's factually true. 

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 Muting your npub now. Congrats. 

 How so? No federated app is using only the Signal Protocol by itself. You may as well say that Merkle Trees are better than Bitcoin, or Git is better than Bitcoin, because it used Merkle Trees first. Nonsensical to me. 

 Yes, I get it and I think we don't disagree although your words are too absolutist and agressive for my taste. Signal the app itself uses more than the Signal protocol as well. The Signal protocol is the foundation of most modern e2e chats, it's been cryptographically audited and battle tested for years. It's one of the best things that happened on the internet. 

 Fair enough. Didn't mean to be rude. Just disagree strongly with Signal *the app* being on the list, because so many bitcoiners are still on Telegram and I'd rather have them move to a decentralized messenger than another centralized service. 

 also closed source, uses a central server controlled by the CIA and is run by a bunch of pedophiles