Oddbean

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 Yeah, it solves for most of the spam, but I'm not actively participating. Got rid of all of my follows and created a "trusted npub" list, as a controller for my personal relay, that only contains npubs whose stuff I read or lurkers who are attested.

In other words, only npubs I actually trust. 😅

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 A lost like that makes more sense than just follows. 

Thinking about lists and how to arrange follows has made me remember Google circles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUywKEtXX2c

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 Yes, @captain ☦️ compromised was talking to me about those circles and it got me thinking.

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 so authenticated relays with access determined by membership in the circle?

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 I'm still thinking about this. I guess relay-based  communities are the new circles.

Do I even need a list event, for this? I can just use the whitelist on the relay, but then the list isn't publicized and I wouldn't be able to auto-update the relay list, just by adding someone to the client list. I'm using the client list as a controller, basically, but it's a redundant list.

Can the relay publish the whitelist, upon request? Could there be direct manipulation of the relay list from a client?

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 So one relay per circle?
Is this similar to communities in ditto?

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 Ditto communities aren't 1:1 with a relay.

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 I see. Thanks.