Oddbean

this is general abstract words. don't have nothing against them. But what do you do if 500 meters from you exploded 900 kg ballistic missile from country which invaded your country? will you say this same mantra to foreign soldiers or you will defend your home?

That's what the Donbasniks said in 2014, after they rejected a coup and got hit with a "Counter Terrorist Operation". I wish Western governments had used their leverage then for peace and trust-building, instead of treachery and arms sales. But "the leopard doesn't change his spots" and Ukrainians are paying most of the price...

We can talk about history of this conflict if you want. But there are a lots of details and you have to spend a lot of time to learn them. I'm not sure you want this. So. So called "Donbasniks" started coup against ukraine in april 2014. They claimed to be local fighters of the Donetsk People's Republic, but were actually Russian Armed Forces 'volunteers' under the command of Russian GRU colonel Igor Girkin ('Strelkov'). The same dude, Strelkov, participated in Crimea annexation. Later he said openly and bravery about all this. You can find interview with him in russian. Probably all of Ukraine saw the video from Slavyansk in 2014 when one of the soldiers said the word [parebrik] (border). I, for example, heard this word for the first time, although I speak russian. It turned out that this word originated and used in the Leningrad region. that is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_eLCWI2sZQ btw, isn't this is strange that "Donbasniks" rebels equipped like fucking professional marines?

Of course not. I would fight back to defend my home and family, and most sane people would as well. My post was speaking in generalities. For the most part I believe that people are good and just want to love and be loved by family and friends. Left to their own devices, most people choose peace. But politicians and those in power put them in positions to fight those they otherwise wouldn’t fight