Oddbean

Your reasoning is that If the same people that got us into the mess will continue to do the same things is not worse than If people who has a totally different analysis of things and want to fix this, came to power? Do you really think that Milei coming to power was irrelevant? Do you think that Bukele’s years in power is washed?

In theory, it makes sense. That is how the system is designed in order to convince people to participate. "If only our side won, we wouldn't be in this mess. Next time though, next time we will fix it!" In every nation state, there is the two party system, which provides the illusion that the system can be fixed. It is no accident that there is almost exclusively a right Vs left party in every country. In the UK, the "right" has been in power for over a decade, yet the result is largely the same as if the 'other side' had been in power. It is because when it comes to policies that would really affect change, both sides are in agreement to the detriment of the average person, whether or not the people realize it. Both sides talk about net zero. Both sides push a larger agenda. If COVID didn't wake people up to this, then nothing will. A fringe party that isn't part of the duality could upset the status quo, and indeed that does seem to be the case on the odd occasion they do come into power, but they are quickly neutered by globalists with a much larger agenda. Every single time, the dissidents who are a true threat are removed - Gaddafi, and such. It gets easier to pull this off when the majority of a population is brainwashed enough to believe everything is a conspiracy theory, and the state gets more brazen as the years go by. Make no mistake, if Milei or Bukele were to become a true threat, they would be dealt with. Sometimes the globalists have to allow some of it, in order to give people some hope. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the handful of leaders who opposed the COVID narrative conveniently died. Coincidences only ever trend in one direction, which logically tells us they were never coincidences to begin with. Many people who enter politics do so with the intention of fixing the system. They soon realise this is a fantasy, and they become part of the system. Those who do not, are smeared and ejected. I think that control of the monetary system is all that ultimately matters, since that is what feeds the beast. Things won't truly be solved until that system is replaced with something that doesn't enable such tyrannical corruption.

I think your view of the theatre is a little too simplistic. You're trapped in the bubble of believing that democracy is there for the benefit of the people, when it is there to benefit the people in charge.

So for decades things have only deteriorated, you still still hold onto the idea that voting is the solution? Interesting. I think the ones who escape the mind virus that is picking a side in politics are the most disliked by the ones who remain trapped in that paradigm. Left and Right tend to be in agreement that independents are 'the worst'. Just look at what you have when it comes to issues that are pitted against those within the paradigm: Left: Palestine Good Diversity good My body my choice Equality for all All immigration is a human right Right: Israel Good Abortion bad Diversity is bad All immigration is bad Both sides believe voting fixes something, whereas, if you zoom out, you will see the Uniparty is in agreement on all the 'issues' that are there to continue with the creeping totalitarianism and they are totally made up. The issues which result in policies that do affect our lives: Climate Change is a problem -> more government intervention Pandemics are dangerous/real -> more government intervention Vaccines save lives -> more government intervention Money printing is the solution -> more government intervention War is good, and its your fault -> more government intervention Dissent is a 'danger to democracy' -> more government intervention Democracy is THEIR game. That why they never shut up about it. It is not there for the people on a societal level. If you pay attention, the unelected 'leaders' are only ever circle jerking and signalling to their own. When they say "we", "us" and "our", they are referring to themselves, not the people. It's a scam as the day is long, and things will never change until more people wake up to this reality.

My ideal society has nothing to do with democracy. My ideal society is an extremely limited state with the following purpose: to uphold the god given right of the individual, his right to his possessions, his right to keep the fruits of his labor, his right to his life, liberty and property. This excludes state funded media, universities, education in general, healthcare etc, etc. For this YOU DON’T need any democracy, just competent people; ones administrating this can NOT have any other motivations than keeping the thing going, not EXPANDING its tasks. BUT WE ARE NO WHERE NEAR THIS. We live in a world that is politicised and were VOTES acteually can make a difference https://image.nostr.build/9cd064ce006ba306a0efc54f3cacc55f226623908852050698073081bb410b99.jpg

Seems we agree on most ideals other than how we achieve them. I simply disagree that enabling politicians is the way forward, when the system is setup in order for us to consent when we go out and vote. I agree you don't need a democracy, which is why I won't enable these people by participating in the show. When you offer up your vote, you give them consent to expand the state based on policies which are mostly made up. No one you can vote for fits all of the ideals, not even most of them. I think Milei still bows to the overlords. While there are many alignments with what he believes, lets see how long he maintains his support for or against certain issues. He supports Israel, a state which is objective genociding innocent people. That alone is enough reason to be skeptical, because war is only beneficial to the rich. Initially, his stance was against climate change, but now: "It’s worth noting that in a recent interview, Milei’s new top climate diplomat stated that Argentina will remain part of the Paris Agreement under Milei’s presidency, which may suggest a possible softening of his stance on climate change." These people will always promise the world and deliver none of it, or just enough to keep people believing, while not enough to inspire true change. I'm still open to him being genuine, but that is a belief I hang onto loosely. To be clear, on a local level where you can directly hold people accountable, voting can make a difference for you and me within a smaller community. When it comes to state-wide or EU elections, that system is rigged to the max.

Of course we're not enemies. We just people navigating this world, hopefully leaving it a slightly better place than before we arrived. Many of us on the sidelines quietly hope one of these 'leaders' will eventually do right by the people. Tyranny, whether in the form of communism or fascism, is the real danger we should look out for. The trap is becoming the very thing we fight against by adopting ideals that demonise one side or another, rather than doing our best to remain objective and skeptical. The darker side of the game is what most people deem a conspiracy. There needs to be a balance in society, and the more governments (and by extension, globalists) intervene, the more unnatural, chaotic and destabilised a society will become. The problem with L v R politics is that the pendulum will swing hard in the other direction, and those who are too entrenched within the system tend to behave the same way as their opposition once the reigns of power are handed over. It's cyclical, it's dangerous for everyone, and it will keep repeating until people snap out of it. This guy sums it up nicely. https://video.nostr.build/7534f93a451f2e21a186ca6daae278c4aa00c7fa3358e07b4f5b67a0b9088645.mp4

That was the last time the world took a stand against the ruling class, if you don't accept the official narratives surrounding what happened. And what did they do? The same thing they always do - propagandize the population into fighting a rich man's war, and then rewrite history from their perspective in order to prevent the same thing happening again. When they imprison a 90 year old woman for 'denying the holocaust', it only reinforces my point. To the majority, there is no nuance to any discussion. Everything is black and white to them, and every opinion they have is received through programming.

Not because the issue is settled, either way, but because it happened so long ago that almost nobody alive feels any strong emotion about it and most of the younger people have some foreign ancestry.