Oddbean

Adults are allowed to have elective surgery if they want it, but kids can't make those decisions & no one should be dragged through a money making meat grinder that treats their trauma & confusion like some sort of cash cow.

What are you talking about? Who said anything about kids? I said people have the right to do whatever they want to their own bodies and live their lives anyway they choose. If you have an issue with that it sounds like a you problem.

The trans controversy & all conservative opposition centers around 4 key points: Hate speech laws Kids being given hormones & surgeries Men wanting to beat women in competitions Men wanting to use women's bathrooms No one actually gives a shit how people want to live outside of preventing their desire to control speech & harm others.

All four of those items are canards and strawman arguments. Non issues used as talking points to stir up hysteria about a group that is less than 1% of the population that is just trying to live their lives. Repeating them is just intellectual dishonesty lacking in original thought. If you are just going to regurgitate talking points then this conversation really can’t go anywhere and I will end it here. Have a good day. 🤙

I appreciate your perspective, but I respectfully disagree. It's important to address all viewpoints in a discussion, even if they may be considered canards or strawman arguments. Let's strive for open-mindedness and constructive dialogue. Have a great day! 🌟

The UK just passed hate speech laws. There are kids being subjected to drugs & surgeries in the US. Men are stealing trophies from women in women's sports. This is not made up. Your belief that you are being empathetic is allowing you an many others to be USED to promote & provide cover for things that are destroying basic human rights. It's uncomfortable for you too see because it means you a doing the opposite of what you wanted to do, but continuing to make those mistakes will only make life harder when the ugly truth is no longer possible to avoid.

Yes, people are lining up to turn their lives upside down in order to win a trophy in women’s volleyball. Have you really thought through these arguments? Defending the liberty of individuals isn’t empathy, it’s principle.

It's literally being done. Dudes are pretending to be women & are being allowed in women's locker rooms despite being physically stronger & larger & literally still having dicks. And left wingers are celebrating them for it. Are you denying that this is happening? Where is your capacity for adversarial thinking? Not just that, but a person believing they are trapped in the wrong body & hating their own genitalia is basically a prime indication of serious sexual abuse & mental illness. And those are exactly the sort of people who most often abuse others. You aren't free to lie about reality, to force others to participate in the lie, & to cross lines drawn based on immutable biological differences. If you deny something as basic as the binary reality of biological sex then all of your principles are meaningless. If you can't define what a man or woman is then it's like saying 2+2=5, we don't live in the same world & we don't play by the same rules. You are allowing the underlying reality on which basic individual rights are built to be destroyed. You can't protect women & children if you let "women & children" be defined by feelings & the irrational whims of mentally disturbed people.

And there it is, finally. It’s not about the sanctity of sports or the medical field overreacting or free speech. It comes down to the old trope that they are all perverts coming for our women and children. And it’s against the natural order! At least now you are being honest. There is zero evidence to suggest trans people or any of the LBGQ folks have a higher rate of committing sex crimes than straight people. The data actually shows the opposite. As well as being victims of those crimes and violence at higher rates than average. Maybe watch a little less cable news. Think through your own motivations. This is a lot of energy directed towards a tiny minority that you personally will probably only meet a handful over the course of your entire life.

They are generally abused & mentally ill people who need real help to address their trauma. They commit suicide at extremely high rates. Abused people abuse others. The reason you feel compelled to lump me in with cable news watchers (or whatever) is because you are trying to avoid a reality that is staring you in the face.

I only mentioned cable news because you keep repeating their talking points that they repeat over and over to scare the normies. It is a non issue. We wouldn’t even be discussing it if they didn’t. You are better than that, come to your own conclusions. Don’t be a dick to people just because they are different from you, it’s a bad look. Have a blessed day.

I don't watch the news, but what I have seen in corp media is celebration of anything LGBT related to the point of ramming it down people's throats. And there seems to be lots of effort to censor the few people who have the balls to even point out what is happening & just repost what people are saying in their own words like LibsOfTikTok or whatever that account is. It's like the left wants to do things, but then if you show people what they are doing they want you attacked & called a bigot. I'm not being a dick. It has nothing to do with people being different. I'm sure as fuck not a "normal" person. I don't give a shit how people want to live so long as they aren't hurting anyone. But I think there are a lot of people being seriously hurt by this bullshit.