Oddbean new post about login | logout IF ONE CLIENT DOMINATES, FREEDOM LOSES. WE NEED A DIVERSE SET OF OPEN SOURCE NOSTR CLIENTS OTHERWISE THIS JUST DEVOLVES INTO THE CENTRALIZED SURVEILLED AND CONTROLLED BULLSHIT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID.
Lots of clients is good, but for me I'm an Amethyst loyalist and fully siloed into it. I don't client hop anymore.
This is the magic of Nostr. The feeling when you use Damus for months and then install and open Primal… and then everything is there, exactly the same… and then you go back to Damus and everything still works the same… this is so powerful few understand
We need economic models that work or we’ll end up becoming the product. All notes should be zaps. -pay relay micro fees to post note -pay for note durability (note saving) -lightning prisms for multi-relay reach/durability People freely zap memes, ALLCAP shitposts, AI hallucinations, and sad stories. It’s time to pay for the servers to scale Nostr. No subscriptions just zap-to-relay posting. This free shit is socialism in disguise 🥸
PAID RELAYS MAKE SENSE TO ME. THERE WILL LIKELY BE A COMBO OF PAID, FREE, AND SMALL COMMUNITY RELAYS.
And VC backed?
We need to define the incentives of the Nostr ecosystem architecture now and the VCs and entrepreneurs will join if they see value. Follow the Satoshi way: Define the incentives, support the early network, then step back and let the free market reign.
nobody wants to hand out their payment details, especially to an unknown server on a little used network.
Payment details? Just zap a 1000 sat invoice every once in a while. We need to breakdown basic cost per zap for running nodes and it will probably be less than 0.1 sat per post, 1sat/note/month for note durability and further charges for image upload. A few market can develop and clients can dynamically choose relays based on fees and reach to followers. None of this will be expensive but building the incentives right will create innovation on the infrastructure side not just the UI/client.
*fee market* not few market
By the way - If you’re interested in pay-per-use relays, check out https://docs.nostr.wine/cellar/readme
nobody (well, almost nobody) wants to pay a centralised authority to use social media, those that do already pay Elon Musk. Nostr is losing its mojo because its incompatible with capitalist greed.
Yea I’m currently cycling between damus, primal, and nostur to see what UX/UI I like the most. But maybe it is actually best to continue to cycle between 🤔 That way you are constantly exposed to new features and formats and don’t get too used to or tied to one thing. If you aren’t constantly looking to improve or FIND improvements, you either fall behind or become too “comfortable”
Unfortunatelly, on iPhone 7 I’m currently stuck with previous version of @damus, as everything else requires iOS 16+.
Time to upgrade to the new world my friend!
How does freedom lose if one client out competes the rest in NOSTR? Wouldn't that mean that they're following the rules of the NOSTR protocol while also providing the best value and services to users? The fact that users have the ability to move their data to other clients should be incentive enough to keep dominant clients like these in line, so I don't see how diversity, in this case, would promote more freedom.
but how can we create a real economy where both clients and relays can earn enough... how do we move from "free" social media (can we?) what about in-client adverts or paid subscriptions (to remove adverts) where client shares income with a list of trustworthy relays? i know im thinking very traditionally but are there really other options here?
My gawd this sounds shit. Nostr is doomed if the brightest minds working on it have no new ideas.
but how can we create a real economy where both clients and relays can earn enough... how do we move from "free" social media (can we?) what about in-client adverts or paid subscriptions (to remove adverts) where client shares income with a list of trustworthy relays? i know im thinking very traditionally but are there really other options here? nostr:note1sagluc7wgtlrq5yzucxh2kyck65m96t6hspl9zdp4wcyxfrnacvqr37a60
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Well said. 🫂
*COUGH* bluesky **COUGH**
If nostr isnt free, open , easy to use and NOT FOR PROFIT or self hosted then it isn't really offering anything Elon Musk isn't. There were many twitter alternatives that failed because nobody was on there. Nostr still has that latter problem but being open, free and censorship free might swing it. Paid relays remove any real world advantage.
One client will ALWAYS dominate. That applies to almost all competing software ever made.
Press the button left of A please. Don't be a twat that everybody mutes because you post in caps...
So, once caps are off, how many do you think are enough for everything not to 'devolve into centralised surveilled and controlled bullshit' ? If you answer that question honestly, you'll realise you're just so fucking naive.
wb btc core?
I can't be the only one who feels like Damus is closing in on it's last breath
I'm surprised that so few have acknowledged this. When you create a client that's limited to such a narrow range of users then of course it has an expiration date. It essentially dug its own grave. 🤷♂️
Will literally said a year. That's pretty fuckin far from last breath
It's actually not, at all. 😑 Dude... it's only ONE year. That ain't long.
I believe that you took my statement out of context. Just because something has an expiration date doesn't imply that it was a failure in any sense. Also, you did just say that Will said a year. Correct? That means even Will himself knows that it will not last forever.
I'm surprised that so few have acknowledged this. When you create a client that's limited to such a narrow range of users then of course it has an expiration date. It essentially dug its own grave. 🤷♂️
And perhaps an overly loyal one. @pipe speaks the truth, though 🤷♂️. It was never gonna last forever. Damus, nonetheless, was very productive on an experimental level.
That's exactly my point. You have to ask yourself: are you loyal to Apple or are you loyal to the Nostr protocol? The latter sounds much more promising. Apple products are overrated anyway.
Agree, except it is critical mass not monetisation that matters. Free, non-profit, open source community coded nostr is the only social network that can offer an alternative to centralised systems like twitter. Money corrupts absolutely. It will corrupt the code. It will corrupt the ethos. it will corrupt the entire point of nostr.