Oddbean

There is a lot of evidence of Israel striking Iran covertly over the years: car bombs planted by motorcycle riders, stuxnet, commando raids of underground facilities, airstrikes in Sudan, airstrikes in Syria, capturing shipments of weapons, etc. There is some overt strikes to - the US striking solemani for example, and of course the strike on the Iran consulate in Damascus that just happened. The evidence of Iran striking Israel overtly is missing. And covertly it is extremely thin, and all of it could be false flagged even given how thin it is. Even the evidence of Iran developing nuclear weapons is kinda thin, compared to just doing nuclear power plants. Of course Iran is supplying Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis. But maybe they are just weapons salesmen. I don't go attacking the gun shop that sold the gun to the kid that killed my son (that's a made up story for illustration). I think Iran is probably funding these groups,and assisting these groups, but I'm FAR less certain at this point given that this information comes from the West which I have already concluded are psychopathic sadistic recidivist liars that want war.

It's not legal in any country I know of to sell weapons to someone who you know plans to use them to go off and murder people. It certainly isn't in the US. I don't see why you'd expect a country to standby why another sells to known terrorists who then go off and deploy terror. That's a legitimate reason to be attacked. You can say there's no evidence, fine. I just take issue with the poor analogy.

I was referring to your analogy. I dont see any evidence that Israel is murdering people. You just seem to not like their response to being attacked. That doesn't make it murder. That's the whole point of having a state.

"I dont see any evidence..." Either you are refusing to look or you are in denial. Their targetting A.I. was programmed to not strike the Hamas fighter until he got home to his family so that the strike could take out the family too. They just killed the children and grandchildren of the Hamas leader. Over 41,000 people are dead now, MOST being women and children. They withhold food and water, and obviously intentionally kill aid workers who try to bring in food and water. They obviously intentionally killed doctors, who now have to operate undercover. They obviously intentionally killed journalists. Journalists now have to be undercover.

US is also supplying rebels in Arabic/Muslim countries. Remember that US also supported Taliban some decades ago, to go against Russia. They also supplied Rebels against Lybia The list is Infinite

In 1953 US organized a coup d'etat on a democratically elected Iran government. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat Iran government is shit, I Believe. But I also don't believe in countries who are against Iran

There was also a revolution in 1979. If you go way back... D'Arcy (British) bought an oil concession from Persia giving him exclusive rights to any oil he found for 60 years. That started the Anglo-Persian Oil Company which did very well. By 1933, the locals were bitter because these rich Brits with air-conditioned houses and watered lawns were living amonst dirt-poor locals slaving in hot conditions, slogging through mud, and getting shit pay... and the Brits got their wealth from what Iranians felt was THEIR OIL. In 1941, Britain and the Soviets (allied) invaded and occupied Iran to "secure the oilfields" and to open a "secure supply route" to the Soviet Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran Eventually by 1951 the Iranians were pissed and they nationalized the oil wells and refinery and kicked out the Brits. Then comes the coup you mention.

I always felt like it was the Brits fair and square, but I understood the resentment. Invading the country in 1941 wasn't "fair and square" though, so I can't take anyone's side. I remember watching a black-and-white newsreel of Brits leaving Persia and being interviewed about it, and the all felt it was not only theft, but they were certain that the Persians did not have the skills or necessary supply lines needed to operate the facilities. So from 1953 to 1979 Iran was very Westernized, under the leadership installed by the CIA, and then in 1979 the Islamic Revolution changed everything, but not back to the traditional pre-1953 secular monarchy, but into a religious fundamentalist state, something new, different, fun! ;-/

I've read a lot about Israel Palestine, now if I have to read about Iran also it will take years to get up to date. Ans the more I go back in time, the more I see my previous conclusions were wrong. I feel I will have to go back recursively until I come to big bag and find out a Israeli will say a Palestinian atom got dangerously near an Israeli atom, and that was anti semitic and deserves retaliation. And now I'll have to look for Iran-England relationship during the Big Bang. Só much work