The new suite is excellent though. Hope they add a google photos replacement too 

 What do you think about skiff? 

 Haven't tried. Proton too good 

 I want to use Calendar so much, but the integration with Google maps is so convenient I keep falling back to google 

 Hm but you can throw the maps link in there and then click it from calendar 

 Meh, I use both. My proton Mail account name has the world fuck in it so I don't use it for a lot of things.  

 They don’t in general fr. More of a niche thing which includes bitcoiners and various sects of normie land. My own brother is fully googled, he believes everything is so fucked might as well just go with it and any attempt at privacy online is pointless. “Not a criminal so what do i care”

Just how it do 🤷‍♂️😔 

 What are the other options for privacy?
#asknostr 

 Skiff Mail 

 Self host, Tutanota, skiff, mailfence, startmail, zoho, kolab..etc 

 only through pain 🤕 

 “Creatures of habit” 

 Sometimes I think if Proton is not a honeypot to catch emails from people who want privacy.

At least it is not EU:

https://www.404media.co/revealed-the-country-that-secretly-wiretapped-the-world-for-the-fbi/ 

 That’s my concern as well.  How can anything centralized and free be truly private.. 

 E2e encryption is a good start  

 I’d agree if it was open source - afaik it’s not. 

 Is it not open source ? 

 Is it not e2e encryption ?
Protonmail ?
What about Nostr and Plebstr ? 

 I do 

 Have used proton for a year and a half as part of my de-googleing 😀 I think there will be many cool nostr apps that will make the job easier 🤙 Like @iefan 🕊️'s calendar app for example 👀 

 Sharing this impression observing close friends...

traveling group of 30pax went to an hotel.

you can either deposit your passport or deposit  20usd.

29 deposit their passport ..... hmmm..... 

 What if I have both?

My long term plan is to host my own email server. 

 I'm running my own server but I'm not sure if I can do a better job than Protonmail. It is liberating to run though.  

 Well, we dont have nuke bunkers to host in but I dont think thats really necessary. The more people self host the more work needed to get the data. 

 But Gmail is free so it must be good 

 Why is protonmail vaunted as this big privacy solution? Last i checked;
-you couldnt signup for an account via vpn, they want to log your real IP.
-cant use your own client for TLS/SMTP 

Agree gmail sucks and is the worst. 

 I sign up and login with a vpn no issue?

You can use your own client with proton bridge 

 A story in pics:

Today its the email address, and only the right email address (just like IP addresses before that) - perhaps they change from month to month but end result is same
https://image.nostr.build/f864f87c021807da176e83b6d774b9011acf5b134e7b76eec7cb1360cc38098a.jpg



https://image.nostr.build/0b351fce9692b83165e8260a2881df11e7dedeaa5c876b7c2b1bf81a37820b15.jpg 

 Hmmmm 🤔🤔 

 Last I checked they required email verification only for creating new "@protonmail dot com" accounts, not for "proton dot me" 

 They don’t. :( 

 Privacy on protonmail is also a bit questioned by Rob Braxman and also in the hacking community 

 Always will be something, email isn't perfect for privacy, but it's drastically better than gmail 

 Most people think more about a good user interface than just privacy. I use privacy apps but most of the time I can't advice it for the average Joe because no user friendly usage. 

 Where tutanota 

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJmk5uwviE&pp=ygUSUHJpdmFjeSBwcm90b25tYWls 

 This is well known for years, that's why you use a VPN or Tor with the service. 

 I question that it is enough for some people. If you have big things to hide from the five eyes, I think you can't trust just vpn or tor with protonmail. I don't think a lot of people on the darkweb use protonmail for example, maybe I wrong. 

 They don’t! And nobody ever reads terms and services texts 

 Google terms and conditions states that you acknowledge and agree that google analyses and keeps a copy of every email you send and receive using gmail. When I read that I told it for a lot of friends and family but, for my surprise, no one gave a shit about it! 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 you only get 500 MB storage. 

 It's email. Tf you need more than 500Mb for? 

 You can buy more storage. I assume you prefer to be a product. 

 No, I just understand that email is meant for correspondence, not for storage. 🤷 

 Proton Mail is kinda cool !, and I use it just for my personal staff

nostr:note1r9c70et5yhtwnakprrfwyzct47yyta6qqgn3t6kt9xygh24hkeuqyfs6c0  

 Proton Mail is kinda cool !, and I use it just for my personal staff

nostr:note1r9c70et5yhtwnakprrfwyzct47yyta6qqgn3t6kt9xygh24hkeuqyfs6c0  

 Proton Mail is kinda cool !, and I use it just for my personal staff

nostr:note1r9c70et5yhtwnakprrfwyzct47yyta6qqgn3t6kt9xygh24hkeuqyfs6c0  

 Protonmail is cool 

 Privacy is already gone.
Proton is giving only 1GB free, it is harder to integrate and sync over various devices and software/app than Gmail... 

  @Snowden is protonmail a CIA honeypot?  

 I dunno... I think people care about the privacy loss they can readily see. No one wants a big-ass window in their bathroom without privacy glass, right? But that's a loss of privacy that is hyper-obvious.

Google lulled the vast majority of us, myself included, into buying into their stuff, so that giving it up now is giving up massive convenience compared to what many look at as a much less significant privacy loss than someone being able to spy on them in the shower.